Income Inequailty Rhetoric is Class Warfare

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Question why does a income gap need to be closed to bring people out of poverty?
    Income inequality is a hollow rhetoric that its only purpose is to promote class warfare and income redistribution
    Wealth is not finite it can be created there is not one pie that needs to be divided evenly

    I will give an example how income inequality is a failed argument
    lets say the poverty level is 20,000 per year. you have an individual who makes 15k a year and you want to bring him out of poverty. You have another individual who makes 100k a years so you have a 85k a year income gap between the two. Here is the question
    is it better to take 10k from the 100k a year individual and give it to the 15k a year individual there for bring him out of poverty and establishing a 65k income gap, or is it better for the 15k a year individual create his own wealth and make 10k more a year to bring him up to 25k.
    According to using a closure of a income gap as a measure of success it is best to take away from the 100k a year individual then to have the 15k individual create his own wealth because you would have an income gap of 65K instead of the 75k that you would have if he created his own wealth

    You see why Income inequality/income gap is a hollow rhetoric a useless statistic that does nothing but create class envy and warfare
     
  2. waltky

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    Granny says, "Dat's right - gubmint fat cats gettin' rich...
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    So that we continue to allow you to live, sociopath. And Los Alamos is scientific labs....
     
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    I am not sure what you mean. Poverty guidelines are established as a Standard by the general government of the Union.
     
  5. Steady Pie

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    Income inequality is completely irrelevant if that disparity occurred voluntarily. If it did not, one must present evidence that each individual has stolen money. Simply taking the property of vast demographic groups is seriously immoral: it's collective punishment.

    I think corporations are a good example of where a lot of wealth has been obtained through involuntary means. Through state subsidies, limited liability protections, patent and IP law, beneficial regulation, barriers to market entry, etc. The solution is to first stop giving them these benefits.

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    The idea that income inequality being high = let's redistribute wealth, is absurd. Difference in wealth in itself is completely innocuous and to be expected in every possible set of circumstances. Society wide theft on such a massive scale is absolutely abhorrent to everything the left claims to believe in: due process, a right to the fruits of one's labor, and the right to be judged individually rather than collectively based on the crimes of others.
     
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    Wall Street and other companies stole money through the bailout.
     
  7. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will say this again wealth iniquity is a hollow meaningless rhetoric only purpose is to foster class envy and warfare. the poor isn't poor because the rich is rich. that line of thinking the one you try to convince the masses of is a fallacy
    If your argument is to raise the wealth of the ones on the lower end of the income spectrum that is a noble cause and I will agree with it, but you don't have to take from the top to achieve that. you don't have to redistributed wealth. wealth can be created, and created wealth is much better then redistributed wealth. it is better for an economy and better for a government. created wealth grows the economy redistributed wealth does not. government receives more taxes off of created wealth then redistributed wealth
    Created wealth is a foreign or ignored concept to the left because it doesn't fit their narrative. the left has to create class envy and warfare to garner votes
     
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    War makes the poor poorer and the rich richer, and many of the rich want war, so you are wrong.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Misunderstanding, I agree with everything you've said. I'm a free market radical.
     
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    Capitalism is all about stealing .
    Social warfare in ongoing and we intent to win the war.

    OP falsely used the word "redistribution" , working class has no plans to share the loot just to stop the looting .
     
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    The democrats have been beating that dead horse since it worked for Andrew Jackson's campaign. It is their fallback position when they have nothing worthwhile to offer. It is a good distraction from the PPACA's very clunky launch.
     
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    I'm not convinced anyone of significance claims that is the case. A large gap between the income of the poorest and the richest in a society is see as one symptom of underlying issues but that isn't to say a simplistic taking cash from one person and giving it to another is a solution.

    Your example is excessively simplistic. The idea of taking money from one individual and giving it to another individual doesn't happen and equally taking someone who, for whatever reason, has a relatively low income and simply saying "make more money!" is ridiculous.

    Income/wealth redistribution is (and should be) much more subtle than that, as taken at a society level rather than an individual one. The money (generally in taxation) taken from the rich should, in part, be used within society to help provide the resources that the poor can use to help them improve their situation - helping them earn that extra 10K.

    Of course, there will always be people who for little or no fault of their own, are not capable of achieving that regardless of the level of support, be that for a period of time or permanently. Those people need some form of support too and most societies provide some level of that via the state.

    There will always be some level of income gap. It isn't in itself a bad thing, it's about the scale and, most significantly, the reasons behind it.

    Incidentally, this has nothing to do with class warfare. You don't buy class - you either have it or not.
     

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