India on Kashmir ala China on Hong Kong but more so.

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  1. Moi621

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    https://news.yahoo.com/india-isolates-kashmir-shutting-down-154001003.html

    India isolates Kashmir by shutting down comms
    as big change announced

    NEW DELHI, Aug 5 (Reuters) - India's imposition of an unprecedented communications blackout on Jammu and Kashmir hours before stripping its only Muslim-majority state of special rights in place for decades was sharply criticised on Monday by media and rights groups.

    One senior journalist accused Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government of humiliating residents of the divided Himalayan region while others warned that heavy-handedness risked triggering fresh unrest.

    The government said the clampdown on telecommunications and media services, which began late on Sunday night and was still in effect almost 24 hours later, was needed to curb any potential violence.

    Kashmiris, however, complained that the attempt by Modi's government to control the flow of information had made it difficult for them to find out what was happening in the state, let alone air their views.


    The constitutional change announced on Monday withdraws special rights conferred on residents of the state, including a provision that prevents outsiders buying property there. It also means that college places and state government jobs may no longer be reserved for permanent residents.

    Mobile and internet services have previously been cut off in Kashmir at times of turmoil, but this time the government also blacked out landlines and cable television networks.

    A top government official, who declined to be identified, told reporters in New Delhi the restrictions were precautionary and that life was expected to return to normal fairly soon.



    Sounds like the subcontinent's version of Hong Kong and China.

    Those Constitutional changes effecting a Muslim population promised. . . . etc.

    Study up China.
    This is how you do it in a democracy. :roflol:



    Moi :oldman:






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    India and Pakistan have always been bad neighbours.
    For India to be tightening its control of Muslim Kashmir seems to be very provocative. Would

    India is big and powerful and behaving like a bully, just like China.

    Pakistan summons Indian envoy on Kashmir, reaches out to allies
    'Pakistan will exercise all possible options to counter the illegal steps,' foreign office says.



    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...irresponsible-irrational-190805063352009.html
     
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    It's alarming how much control the modern state has over communication. We all are heavily dependent on handheld devices that can be rendered inoperable with the flick of a switch.
     
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    But, this is the Democracy of India.
    Not the Russians or Chinese or the usual bad guys.

    And no one seems to care even to get the News of the situation circulating here.
    That's what really amazes me.
    It isn't like the Muslims were in a State of Riot ala Hong Kong.



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    Dear Boardies
    :rolleyes:

    There are two nations.
    Each has "the bomb".

    They are in a process an escalated face off.
    AND BOARDIES DO NOT CARE.
    :no:

    It is escalating since upload #1.


    From the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49273999

    A UN spokesperson highlighted a telecommunications ban, the arbitrary detention of leaders and a ban on political assembly.

    The region has been on lockdown since Sunday with communication cut off.

    It came as India made the controversial decision to remove its special constitutional status.

    Article 370 - as the constitutional provision guaranteeing special status is known - gave the state of Jammu and Kashmir special dispensation to make its own laws on everything apart from matters of foreign affairs, defence and communications.

    This formed the basis of its complex relationship with India for some 70 years.

    In the days leading up to the parliamentary announcement on Monday, India's federal government led by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) had moved tens of thousands of troops into Kashmir.

    By revoking it, Delhi has irrevocably changed its relationship with the region. The move came as a shock, and has been met with harsh criticism from some opposition lawmakers, constitutional experts and even ordinary citizens. But it has also been welcomed by many, including Supreme Court lawyers who have argued that it is not unconstitutional.




    Is Pakistan going to sit idly by as their brother/sister Muslims are abused by this unilateral Hindu behavior?

    Imagine if China had treated Hong Kong similarly in recent weeks.

    BE AFRAID.
    BE VERY AFRAID.
    Both have the bomb and both are
    :crazy:

    Moi :oldman:




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    From what I read Islamic terrorists have been attacking the Indian police in Kashmir, probably with the intent of gaining their independence from India. It's been going on for years, and lately the terrorism has become much worse, and quite a few police have died.. I have no sympathy for the Pakistanis - I know the Islamic mind set.

    As for the Muslim population, were they always a majority in Kashmir or is it recent and deliberate so they could change the demographics?
     
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    Interesting how India only developed the stomach to "fix" Kashmir once the US Pakistan relationship weakened. Nevertheless it is a thorn in everyone's side... guess we'll find out what went down when the communications blackout is lifted
     
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    Doesn't India have some wacko political
    leadership at the moment?
    Or is their usual sense of sanity in charge?
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your guess is as good as mine Moi... wacko however is relative, depends on where you are on the spectrum
     
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    Global Survival

    and my local gas station, electricity and gas companies, internet connections,
    sewage management, grocery store
    - upscale of course - something that passes for Fresh Water, etc.

    I :heart: the O.C.
    Now repaving the streets in my n'hood better
    than living in the City of Compton where
    special tax to fix streets, never made it to the
    deepest pot hole.


    Someone say pot :weed:
     
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    :) sounds good... at least they are fixing things

    vvv I'm a bit of a purist ito "pot" tried it once and hated it... give me the ice cold water of reality, I prefer life "straight up"

     
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    :weed:
    No :weed:
    a choice of FREEDOM


    What is so great about "reality" ?
    And which reality gives clarity?


    Meanwhile,

    India isolates Kashmir
    As China never did on Hong Kong

    and "nobody" cares.


    Get it or not.

    Moi :oldman:

     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    reality does not give clarity, in fact it is frequently clouded... but finding clarity is what's so great about reality :lol:

    It is the journey... the unravelling... tugging at strings until that what is under are revealed. I will admit that once revealed I am more often than not disillusioned... look & poke around for a while... then walk away

    oh btw did I mention I enjoy conversations in riddles too :lol:
     
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    So some say of Jesus!
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    Well Consider today we live in a Politically Correct reality
    as corrupt from truth as the most vile of totalitarian regimes
    before 1944.
    All our News networks carry the same story.
    Censorship by choice of story. No one first to break a story.


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    With international media ownership making it, so much easier.
    Don't think.
    Absorb
     
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    Kashmir: A Complex Problem

    The Kashmir problem remains difficult to resolve, in some ways akin to the difficulty in finding a universally accepted solution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

    Within one year, Britain ended its control of the India subcontinent with the creation of India and Pakistan on August 15, 1947, and ended its League of Nations Mandate in Palestine, with the creation of Israel on May 14, 1948. Both now independent areas were troubled by internal and irreconcilable differences between population groups, independence movements were active and militant, and division and partition of the disputed territory was suggested as a solution. Two of the three countries, Israel and India, have been basically secular countries with doctrinaire religious minorities which inflame the political and social atmosphere. All countries have nuclear potential. All have had to defend themselves against external aggressors as well as against internal militant opponents of central command.

    The Indian Independence Act and its aftermath divided the territory into two states, India, with a largely Hindu population, and Pakistan, almost entirely Muslim. The Muslim population, about 20 per cent of the whole, differed politically, socially, and economically from the Hindu majority.

    The UK Act divided the area into two independent dominions, each having autonomy and sovereignty, with power to formulate their own constitution. The princely states decided which country to join. Kashmir, always a complex problem with a large Muslim majority, was a princely state ruled by a Hindu Maharajah who finally decided to join India. At the outset there was mass migration across the boundaries, and more than one million people died in communal fighting. The provinces of Bengal and Punjab were divided between the two countries. However, many Muslims were left in the State of India, making them the largest minority in a non-Muslim state.

    India and Pakistan remain divided over Kashmir. Pakistan controls the north and west parts of the state, and India controls over half the area, the south and southeast parts.

    In 1972 a Line of Control, a de facto barrier, divides the state into two parts. It was set up as a military control line between India and Pakistan, but neither side recognizes it as an international boundary.

    Kashmir has experienced three wars, along with an insurgency against Indian rule that has led to 70,000 deaths since 1989, and it remains one of the most militarized zones in the world. The Kashmir issue has become even more complicated because of three factors: the fact that China since 1963 has controlled part of the territory of the state; more emphasis by the Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi, on Hindu religious ceremonies and association with Hindi religious leaders; and the greater assertion by Modi, a controversial, strong, charismatic leader well versed in the cult of personality, on policies such as nationalism, privatization, welfare programs, and a liberal economy. Opponents fear a lessening of the traditional secular nature of India.

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    The current belligerency arises from a series of incidents. Fighting followed an attack in February 2019 by a suicide bomber from a militant separatist group that killed 40 Indian policemen. Among the incidents of violence, Indian paramilitary and police forces were sent into the area, the Indian government sent fighter jets against the militant training camp, and Pakistan shot down two Indian jets.

    On August 5, 2019, the Modi government unilaterally by decree decided to revoke Article 370 of the Indian constitution that allows Kashmir special constitutional status, giving it significant autonomy to make its own laws. As a result, Kashmir will be a “union” territory, not a state, directly ruled from the Indian capital at New Delhi. Modi claims the change will improve both the military and economic condition of Kashmir, but critics assert it was intended to make India more of a Hindu nation and less of a secular one.

    Pakistan has condemned the Indian action and declared that the Pakistan army stands firmly by the Muslim Kashmiris. Pakistan has never recognized India’s jurisdiction over the region. Pakistan’s immediate response was to expel the Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad, to suspend trade with India, and to downgrade diplomatic relations, but has refrained from any military action.

    Kashmir remains what it has always been, a complex problem, difficult to resolve, in some ways akin to the difficulty in finding a universally accepted solution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

    What is it that you would like to see happen here?
     
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    India lite a fuse in an other wise peaceable area.
    And the extent they lite that fuse far out weighs
    any means of China on Hong Kong.
    And how few care. Even Boardies.
    Although both sides have "the bomb".

    :omfg:
     
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    We have always lived under these conditions... the media have always been used to manipulate and distort information by their owners and government. The difference is today the information age expose them... they can't lie and get away with it anymore.... they lie and lose credibility each and every time they do it...
     
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    not peaceable... locals are kidnapped and forced into terrorism executed on India. I don't blame India for finally taking a stand
     
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    Well, the current conflict followed an attack in February 2019 by a suicide bomber from a militant separatist group that killed 40 Indian policemen. Among the incidents of violence, Indian paramilitary and police forces were sent into the area, the Indian government sent fighter jets against the militant training camp, and Pakistan shot down two Indian jets in the otherwise peaceful relationship.

    What do you want from us?
     

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