Hi, I've never been much a fan of native title or preferential treatment, but I passionately support Indigenous nationhood. Perhaps we could cede Arnham Land as a completely independent nation to the local Indigenous population. They could have their own police, their own legal system, their own entitlements, their own defense, their own culture, undiluted by Western involvement. The Australian courts would have no jurisdiction there. I realise this is an odd thing for a conservative to support, but hey, I'm an odd conservative. I support localism. What's your view?
Like Apartheid... yeah that is exactly what apartheid was, tribes had their own lands, So what happened, the white lands were wealthier and kept having to fund the tribal lands to prevent them from collapsing, The communists also used this to promote their propaganda until no one listened to reason..... you stole the land give it back.... who cares if it is a lie. You are responsible for the black lands collapsing because white privilege.... who cares if it is a lie. You are playing into the communists' hands, you open this pandora's box you'll never close it
How is nationhood apartheid? The current situation where people are treated differently under the law due to race is apartheid. Are we in a state of apartheid with Fiji because they are an independent, self-governing nation?
Apartheid is NOT Segregation..... let me repeat that..... Apartheid is NOT Segregation. Apartheid is "separate development" Segregation comes from Britain after slavery was abolished... because they still couldn't sit next to slaves they had to make up some excuse. Segregation existed during Apartheid but they are two separate things. Apartheid is the Homeland system, where 50% of South Africa's land in 1948 was given back to tribes to self govern.... in exactly the way you are suggesting. There is nothing wrong with Apartheid, there is everything wrong with segregation. Apartheid is the opposite of globalism... it is nationalism, it preserves culture and language and development of culture. Why don't you know this... because the media told you it is segregation. If you are blue.... and the media tells you with enough frequency, for long enough over and over again that you are pink.... then you are pink. And the fact that I have explained this several times on this forum and STILL NO ONE GETS IT... confirms the power of media propaganda. Apartheid was great for South Africa, this is why it was attacked under the guise of racism, it had the potential to grow into a Superpower... imagine that, a superpower in Africa... that would never do. For this & because he wanted to dismantle the power of the miners, De Beers & the Ruperts, Verwoerd was assassinated. The same people (Rupert and Oppenheimer), the miners and the banks... forced the Boers to hand South Africa to the terrorist & communist ANC who have now destroyed the country. https://www.amazon.com/Opening-Apartheids-Pandoras-Box-Part/dp/1675816514 So it pains me when Frydenberg says he's going to start immigration as soon as possible, because it tells me he's giving in & giving up. It pains me when Australians don't realise the danger of the globalists and that they too soon will be under the same attack as South Africa... now America.. Giving tribes autonomy is a great idea... but not if you DON'T understand you will be under attack from the globalists & their media...exactly the way South Africa was and exactly the way Trump is now. Because you will be unprepared... and you will lose
What an absolute load of hogwash. Apartheid was about segregation and from many reports an opportunity for Afrikanners to exploit blacks. If it wasn’t about segregation then why black restrictions?? Apartheid was an ugly regime that only aimed to bolster white prosperity and exploit the black people. Steady’s suggestion has merit. Aborigines could establish their own nationhood that doesn’t have to look like that draconian apartheid system of exploitation and segregation. There doesn’t have to be restrictions on who you drink with or capital punishment for sleeping with others of a different colour or restricting from undertaking certain jobs. It would operate like any other nation that is based on moral principles that doesn’t look like south african apartheid. Your argument has more holes in it than a Kingscross night workers fishnet stockings.
I would consider inclusion rather than divisions. Talk of what could be apartheid is a valid discussion as ANY move to create an independent nation, area of self-governance in such a manner has great risk of creating such despicable rule but it could also best ruled nation ever as in this nation it could go either way. Except for the most important part, without independence in ALL measures so no reliance on others is required eventually the governance would show signs of decay. Since the area could never be self-sufficient economically, then reliance will push the governance toward the wishes of the supporting government…
Thanks TV I've been to South Africa in 2019 pre-Covid and it was certainly an eye opener. Almost none of the whites there had kind feelings toward the segregation of the past. Almost every one of them I met felt immense regret for not turning the tide in favor of liberty when they had a chance, instead of the country being handed over to the corrupt, authoritarian and racist ANC. The feeling of people of all colours was disgust for both apartheid and ANC rule and a longing for some sort of reasonable middle ground between the extremes. South Africa is a truly sad place. One eye on the horrors of the past, one eye on the horrors of the future; stuck in the purgatory of the present with no way out.
Yeah there is obviously differing attitudes between English heritage South Africans and Afrikaners who tend to hold grudges over the past it seems. I know a couple of Afrikaners who vehemently dislike the English nearly as much as blacks and are strong proponents of apartheid. I suspect SW is probably an Afrikaner based on her take regarding anything South African. The Gold Coast has a significant population of white South Africans and it seems the attitudes are different between English heritage and afrikaans. Afrikaners certainly love their country and if not for other reasons they would rather live in SA despite the said issues regarding government. I think its a case of each side trying to preserve their culture especially the afrikaners.
