Investigating the Jan 6 th Uprising.

I've already listed a few, but to zero-in on the major one, he was told by Donoghue that what he was asking for was illegal, and Trump then said to him "just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me".

Then Trump went ahead and declared over and over and over that the election was corrupt, stolen, and fraudulent, and then sent fake "electors" to 7 states to overturn the election, and some of his appointees said Trump planned and organized the substitution of fake electors. That is a crime.

The jig is up Blues. Trump is his own accuser. And he documented it all.

Now, will he be prosecuted, or do we NOT have "equal justice for all"? I fully expect it will be proven once again that we DO NOT have equal justice for all and Trump will go free, but unable to hold office again, ever.

 

Well why don't you just wait and see "mate".

 

I see you haven't been watching the developments. And that makes your opinions irrelevant.

 

He took one legal advice over another and BELIEVED, rightly or wrongly, the election was corrupt. On all fronts he wanted an investigation into what he believed, rightly or wrongly, was election fraud and misbehavior by election officials and judges acting unconstitutionally. Leave the rest to him as in file his challenges in the state courts where they must be filed. And then as Democrats had done the three previous Electoral College count challenge those electors and petitioning the states to recertify. Based on dancing on the head of a pin legal theory, you betcha. But based on legal challenges. And that misbehavior by election officials and judges acting unconstitutionally should have and still needs to be investigated and in some cases adjudicated. We can't have election officials and judges changing the rules of the election and especially when the election has already been in process.

Which he is as free as any other losing candidate to declare they lost unfairly and it was stolen and whatever excuse they want to make which is not a crime. They already had the slates of Electors, the Republicans who lost, it was a matter of getting the Dem slate decertified and the state legislature appointing the Republican. Just like the Dems tried to do with Bush43 twice and Trump once. It's a batty plan of desperation. But a crime? It wasn't in the past.

Yes we know what happened, we don't need this propaganda display. It was a dumb stupid plan. The question is was it a crime. Was it a crime when Al Gore, after losing his challenge in the court, went to the Florida Supreme Court and got them to unconstitutionally vacate the properly certified election results in the state of Florida in 2000? He was making an absurd legal challenge, which he summarily lost. Was it a crime?

You have YET to list for what crime. Your litany of asserted wrongdoing is not necessarily a CRIME.

And BTW "equal justice for all" in our system of justice is for the DEFENDENT, the ACCUSED. So I ask you do we NOT have "equal justice for all"?

 

It should be pretty obvious now........as they are laying it all out in a very organized, professional, and efficient manner. But you are right.. ther is more to come.

Me thinks that some will defend trump to their dying days...........and never allow themselves to see what he has done and continues to do.or they see it and support it ......no matter how unethical, illegal, moral, oar CRAZY his behavior is.

Trump is CORRUPTION personified. at best........ and seriously psychopathic at worst.

He looks to the internet for his information.......... an for someone that had access to all the factual information.......... that is crazy and poor judgement.

He does not verify any information........ he looks for information that already fits his preconceived ideas. He seems to function at a two yr old level where there are no rules for him. ( grandiose entitlement)........just everyone else.

" Their minds are made u..........so don't confuse them with facts" is the working premise

 

You all wouldn't admit trump committed a crime if he shot someone in cold blood on 5th Ave.

Trump is so screwed. LOL! They got his big fat sorry ass.

 

We've been waiting over 6 years. Jan. 6 was 533 days ago. The FBI and DOJ and law enforcement across America engaged in the largest investigation in the history of the country. Almost 850 people arrested, about a third already adjudicated. I haven't seen any charges against Trump or anyone in his administration on some criminal act to do with Jan 6. We have some highly biased, unrebutted, not cross-examines statements in a Congressional committee and suddenly and low level attorney in the matter has his home raided?

What are we still waiting to see mate? More propaganda?

 

He BELIEVED what he wanted to believe...........and kept looking for people that supported his delusion. He could not accept that he lost..........as in his mind he can't tolerate the idea of being a "loser' of any kind. To him it i s the ultimate in disgrace e and shame. He has b en "programmed" to think that way by his belligerent , judgmental ,super critical Y demanding father. Dysfunctional family......... dysfunctional son.

 

Shame on him. I said before the rally he should not hold it that day. He should have given up his claims of voter fraud early on and concentrated on election irregularities and interference not that it would change the results but for future elections. The legal theories were suspect at best making the legal challenges suspect but that is NOT illegal. It is not a crime. Candidates including presidential candidates make preposterous claims about their losses including in official challenges. That is NOT a crime. Look what we went through in 2000 was anyone calling for Al Gore to be charged with a crime?

This entire dog and pony show is unnecessary. It is preaching to the choir. There is nothing new here and they plan to EXTEND the number of hearings?

 

Rifkin has challenged Electors in the past, why is he on the committee? Schiff perpetuated outright lies about evidence he had of Trump Russia collusion, why is he on the committee? Did McCarthy get to veto them?

The fact is Pelosi had no intention of a fair hearing with cross examination and testing of the evidence and statements uttered. These are all preplanned canned questions given in-between highly stylized videos and highly edited deposition states and purposeful selective editing of Trump statements. This is all about the mid-terms and the Dems trying salvage something anything in the fall. And it is reprehensible they would put on this charade.

 

Don't think we should expect too much "new" material..........but we should get the results of their findings........... in an professional, rational presentation..... as they ties their various findings into the pattern of unethical, inappropriate behavior.

 

Yea like believe things you want to believe. And I get it you don't like him, I can't stand him personally. That doesn't make anything a crime nor is it the proper use of our judicial system to seek retribution for such dislike of someone. And spare me your attempt to play psychoanalyst.

 

What are they finding we don't already know? And this is not a professional rational presentation by any means, there is no counter testimony, no counter witnesses, there is no cross examination, there is no testing of the statements given. Dems and the RINOS tell us how bad is Trump, then they ask witnesses pre-planned questions to show how bad is Trump, no one gets to test those statements, no one gets to cross examine them.

And for what purpose?

 

I see you are projecting, which isn’t surprising

 

Federal prosecutors has given opinions and not supported them, which is exactly why they are going no where lol. Yes we are lucky we don’t live in a country where the irrational hatred of fools can result in a beheading of an innocent man and far better president than anything Dems have given us lol. Hahahaha duuuh.

There have been federal prosecutors whom have said he did not commit a crime but don’t mention that haha.

when nothing happens and he doesn’t go to jail because you don’t actually have a case I’ll still be here laughing.

no evidence shown, just hearsay, and partisan opinions. Y’all got em this time! Can’t wait for the next round of regurgitation from this committee.

 

That's what indicted co-conspirators will pay personal attorneys to to do for them once the indictments hit. Right now they are running like cockroaches in a greasy spoon. Guess who's just turned the light switch on!

 

What is really bothering you about these hearings.? They are not a court o flaw......and so the protocols are different.

Whether you like it or not......... his psychological make up (dysfunction) is a big factor in how he has behaved. Not an excuse........but an explanation.

The psychological health of anyone in leadership is very important......as history has demonstrated.

 

He mental health was fine which is why he did such a good job. However yiu are correct that mental healthy is important, considering the train wreck we have going on in the White House right now lol.

 

You're saying that there might not be any law against overturning a lawful election or against seizing power by coup.

That shows what kind of a mind we're dealing with here.

 

I’m saying there was never an attempt to overturn an election or attempt a coup. It never happened. The fact you think it without evidence shows what kind of mind we are dealing with here.

the left has genuinely gone off the deep end.

 

Some of us give lip service to appreciating a democratic republic and others volunteer to serve their country when doing so is least popular.

Which are you?

I just happen to bee old enough to recognize a politically motivated show trial when I see one.

Meanwhile, please name any other successful "insurrection" that lasted only 3 hours and the "insurrectionists" forgot their firearms.

 

I have. The part that gets me is that, right now, in this moment he is publicly stating that anybody that won't stand behind his lies can't get his endorsement. Why do think it's okay for him to continue to threaten, bully and manipulate people? Why would any of that even be necessary if he is telling the truth? Why would they put a person above their party or policies or stated "values"?

That would bother me greatly had I been a supporter.

 

No it wouldn't have.... to be a supporter of Donald T**** from day 1 meant to check your logic, morals, and "values" at the door....

It's OK for him to manipulate people because most allow it.... and some even welcome it, because they have no actual direction on their own...

There's a verboten PF.com word for that situation....

What did you think of yesterday's hearing? I thought it was the best of the lot so far.... That Donoghue guy was a quiet killer....

 

Why would anybody do that for anyone? I've stated it previously but my mother is exactly like him and they lengths people go to lie to themselves about her is just mind-boggling. She hates me with a passion because she can't manipulate me. For one, why the heck would I listen to her lies about other people when I **know** she's lied about me? That makes no sense whatsoever and that's why gets me about anybody that still supports him.

Notwithstanding his dirt that hasn't come out yet, they should be hitting the highway on what is ALREADY shown to be true. I don't even make that many apologies for my own kids and I would die and/or kill for them.

I've been trying to walk a mile in those moccasins since I joined PF. There has to be some kind of "line in the sand" or people would just be lemmings falling over the edge of a cliff. How are people functioning without direction or internal "code" at some baseline?

Is this the same idea of why theists think atheists have no moral code if they don't believe in some deity? Why would an adult even need a deity to do what's right? I don't "get" it and it gets worse from there because he's so damn awful on every level and in every way. Maybe we need some kind of community outreach for people to raise their standards.

Please pm that info.

I'm not watching it. I am so fed up with the Orange Stain. I don't understand why he wasn't held at gunpoint and taken into custody five minutes after he sat on his hands when his minions attacked the Capitol police. I consider every day since that moment some kind of grace from beyond toward him (for reasons that aren't clear to me).

I have no doubts that anyone else that did what he did in the way he did and continues to do it would already be convicted if not outright exiled. Then, he compounds that craziness with publicly lambasting his own country's leaders in favor of a madman that attacked a sovereign nation? You couldn't pay me to believe that anyone else in this country could get away with that.

For me, it's not even politics anymore. He's a toxic, malignant cancer that has set us back decades. Our great-great grandkids will still be trying to clean the orange stain.

 

A federal judge also concluded that it was more likely than not that Trump committed crimes.