Iran’s leader ordered crackdown on unrest - 'Do whatever it takes to end it' - 1500 murdered

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

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    This video shows the millions of Iranians who participated in demonstrations across the country, in dozens of cities small and large, denouncing the attempts to bring an implosion in Iran.


    While loss of life is regrettable, and I don't know how many lives were lost, what I do know is as follows:

    1- most Iranians don't support efforts to bring civil disorder inside Iran.
    2- while the protests began mostly with legitimate complaints focused on economic issues, they were quickly used as a cover by saboteurs and terrorist groups supported from outside to bring terrorism and mayhem to Iran.
    3- any significant casualties caused from the so-called protests were actually in armed battles with terrorist groups in the periphery of the country bordering Iraq in the west, and Pakistan in the east.

    Those who tried to use these protests to instigate a Syrian style civil war on Iran must be sorely disappointed, since more than a month after these protests were successfully put down, you see their mouthpieces still constantly trying to talk about it while everyone in Iran is focused on other issues.
     
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    Same comment was sent in this forum a week after the Syrian Arab "Spring" began.
    I hope for the Persians that they will overcome their evil brutal Ayatullas.
    Viva Revolution in Iran !
     
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    What do you mean? Obama gave this regime $1.5 billion in cash. That figures out to $1 million per person killed during the 2 weeks of unrest. That will buy each one a very memorable funeral. There’s nothing evil about that.
     
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    You left out context. You should have made it clear that Obama gave iran back money that was their money to sweeten up the nuke deal. Otherwise some low info person might get the wrong idea about that cash you mentioned. Haha

    In so far as the dead protestors in iran their most holy king is safe until the majority of iranians rise up. Just not enough of them want fundamental change. Apparently the majority are fine with theocracy. And people deserve the govt they have chosen whether we like it or not.

    Being a westerner I dont understand why anyone would choose theocracy but being western I believe people should have whatever form of govt they desire
     
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    Thanks. I appreciate your message, but if you allow me, I like to expand on the issue a bit. It raises significant issues, although I will address here merely the more mundane political issues involved.

    There are many westernized Iranians who support the regime despite being secular in orientation. They do so because they consider the situation in Iran as quite tolerable for them. Despite the propaganda, and a few (mostly minor) inconveniences, the government actually has allowed secular Iranians to carve their own private space and to lead their lives as they wish. Doing so, while protecting the security of the country against far more dangerous foreign plots and forces. For them, the 'real Iran' is simply not what is often portrayed in the West. And they are certainly right, which is why most westerners who visit Iran come back with the same reaction. Iran is simply not what many imagine it to be.

    There are also many religious Iranians who oppose the regime because they don't view it as being religious. People who consider those in power in Iran to have faint, if any, real religious belief. For them, the picture of the reality in Iran -- including in some of the headlines and statistics showing sex out of wedlock to be the norm (80%+) in Iran, a growing trend among young couples to cohabitate and not get married, with rising divorce rates, excessive consumerism with Iranians ranking 7th in the world when it comes to cosmetic products, ranking among the top 10 in the world in plastic surgery, having 3 times the average alcohol consumption rate in the MENA region -- is a far cry from the 'religious society' they had in mind For them, this government is not religious at all. It is simply corrupt.

    To be sure, there is a slightly greater percentage of westernized Iranians who feel fundamentally disaffected with the regime and are willing to engage political activism to oppose it than religious Iranians who might feel there are no real political avenues left for them to lend their voice. As a result, the religious Iranians I mention might in fact support the 'hardliners' in Iran's political divide between principalists and reformers, but many of them are simply as disaffected (if not more) with things in Iran as many westernized Iranians.

    Overall, however, a clear majority of Iranians are at least slightly (and in many cases, strongly) dis-satisfied, disaffected, or disillusioned with the regime. This, in fact, is what may also lead many people to get the impression that everyone in Iran is "opposed to the regime". In the abstract, they are not entirely wrong. But what they are wrong about is the following: the overwhelming majority in Iran are opposed to seeing the one thing they have enjoyed during the tenure of the regime, namely internal security and unity of the country, taken away from them. They oppose foreign plots against Iran, which do exist and are in the open as opposed to being the figment of the regime's propaganda. They oppose any violent change in Iran's government. And they are willing to work within Iran's system to try to fix the issues they have with their government as opposed to bringing an upheaval and instability to Iran with unpredictable consequences. Add to this majority, the voices of a quite a few Iranians (several million at least) who are ideologically or otherwise committed to the regime, and the voices who want to assist western plots to bring an implosion and disorder to Iran are indeed a minority. A significant enough minority to constitute a threat, but not at all one that would be capable of doing anything more than help subversion, terrorism and occasional unrest.
     
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    Iran is a religious dictatorial state.
    The government is fanatical and dangerous to it's citizens and neighboring countries.
    Do not try to beautify the subject.
     
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    The loss of life isn't regrettable!

    It's intolerable!!

    The Iranian government has 0 credibility.
    Murders that's all..
     
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    Being a westerner, you do not understand most people in the world live in slavary conditions under dictatorship that will murder them if they try to protest.
     

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