Iran accuses Russia of giving Israel codes for Syrian air defenses !

Source: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...g-Israel-codes-for-Syrian-air-defenses-484777

WHOA..! Is that a crack on the Eurasian wall or was it just one of those routine "sell outs" Russia does time to time whenever it seeks gains on the negotiation table with the west? How can the Russian leadership still think they are able to "lead" the Eurasian bloc with this sort of low sincerity level they got towards their "potential" allies? The answer is obvious; "no can do" !

 

Some Russian general or high rank should be having a good time with tons of US greenbacks$$$.

 

Russia could very well become a major, superpower, again, but not when it can't decide whether it wants to play footsie with the dominant order led by the US (which itself is led essentially by a lobby that is tied to Israel and the military industrial complex) or challenge it. My own impression is that after the fall of the Soviet Union, too many Russians (particularly among their elite) have merely yearned for acceptance by the West and aren't up to filling the void that currently requires powers with genuine direction and focus to fill. This is particularly true since after the fall of the Soviet Union, the crony capitalism of the Yeltsin era and the corruption of the period and thereafter, saw the rise of a group of Russian billionaires (the so-called Russian oligarchs), most of whom seem to have connections to Israel. With many of them even taking on dual Israeli citizenship.

 

come on where's all the Russians whinging about being blamed for something... we have to go through the list again.... Eurovision singer banned.... athletes banned...

Yeah sounds like intelligence leaks in the Russian Military supersedes even the American Whitehouse.

That's interesting I didn't know that...

 

Your last sentence is true...many of the russian billionaires do get Israeli citizenship, mainly since some of them are Jews..)).

 

Why? Because the vacuum created by the fall of the USSR was as you pointed successfully filled by the ones who brought it down to its knees. Now Russia seemingly having been dusted itself off of the ruins of the USSR starting from the end of Yeltsin's epoch, is trying to fill that "suppossed" vacuum the US created when retreating back from the middle east. Well thats not gonna happen with these sorts of opportunistic sell outs which simply dont give a damn to the region's most concerned powers like Iran and Turkey.

This is not a strategy that a world power should be pursuing. This is just complying with the west while stalling those who seek "alternative leadership". Thats why to me its obvious that Russia is not, cannot, and will not be the alternative whatsoever. Kremlin's masonic hall speaks all by itself.

And you should be posting more often. Dont just monitor, speak up

 

Wheres litwin when you need him?

 

Putin has no interest in seeing Assad fall, so I doubt very much that this was a sanctioned breach of security.
Also I recall from the Georgia conflict that there is no love lost between Israel and Russian military.
I'd suggest that espionage and corruption are more likely culprits.

 

It is very unlikely there are "Codes" to be given that would eliminate air defenses as that is not how these systems work.

 

I think I told you once, no one in Russia is going to lead any "Eurasian block". Kremlin considers Iran as not very reliable and some naughty ally. Situational ally. Russia is absolutely not interested at opposition to Saudi Arabia (what is Iran's main agenda) or at supporting those ones who fights against Israel, like Hezbollah. Iran wants its own regional empire, but it's not our business at all.

 

As for the subject, I wonder since what time the Jerusalem Post may be seen as reliable source of news from Iran. Israel and Iran are enemies, I have no doubts Israeli intelligence controls every article over Iran in Israel's media. At least they can issue any bullshit about Iran in their newspapers if it fits Israels national interests. And of course Israel is interested at splitting Russian-Iranian cooperation.

Besides, I don't see any specific information in the text. They don't call the types of air-defence systems. iran has recieved from Russia TOR-M1 and S-300 systems, but there is no any infromation some of them were delivered to Syria. Syrian air defence consists of old Soviet made systems like S-200 and of some number of more new BUK-M1 systems. In which ones the codes were changed?

 

This report should be read in context. And these other reports from the past couple of days will provide some of that context. Some of these reports might represent more "wishful thinking" on the part of the Israelis than anything else, but definitely the focus of Netanyahu's talks with Putin a couple of weeks ago was on how to enlist Moscow's help in countering Iran in Syria and elsewhere.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...e-to-help-Israel-expel-Iran-from-Syria-485155
REPORT: US, RUSSIA AGREE TO HELP ISRAEL 'EXPEL' IRAN FROM SYRIA

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-syria-iran-idUSKBN16S1IA
Russia must limit Iranian power in Syria: Israeli intelligence director

Given the public efforts by the Israelis and the folks around Trump to drive a 'wedge' between Iran and Russia, this report is rather funny and a bit curious coming from a Russian outlet!
http://rbth.com/international/2017/...n-russia-and-israel-against-each-other_725466
Who is trying to turn Russia and Israel against each other?

In the meantime, Iran's president is scheduled to meet with Putin in Moscow the next few days.

 

I refer you to this thread about our discussions regarding past Russian actions of a similar nature, specifically relating to codes for the TOR-M1 which the Russians reportedly gave to Israel in return for some Israeli drones.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-war-in-syria.474434/page-17#post-1066708595

 

The thing is, Israel used the given codes to make its jets appear "friendly" to the air defenses, not to eliminate them.

 

I see...and you know this how?

Perhaps through your secret ties or contacts throughout the militaries of the nations involved?

 

Syria is such a mess. So what is Israel's angle? Obviously they don't want Hezbollah to gain influence, but Hezbollah and Assad and Iran are Shia, so Hezbollah is mainly fighting to support Assad, who Russia also supports. So that puts Israel effectively in cahoots with Al Nusra, but practically with the Kurds, which would align them neatly with the US but affronting Turkey....

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS!!!!

 

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Dude whats with that smart mouth now? I was just trying to make a point clear not correcting you.

 

That actually makes more sense than the other opinions here.

You offered up some sanity, on an off the edge OP.

 

Apologies if you felt I was being "Smart".

 

Yes you did. I cant say Iran wants to raise any Persian Empire from its grave. It's instead following a clear strategy: Offense is the best defense. We can also say it is more like an "aggressive defense" tactic.

Yet this kind of strategy may not render the user broaden its existing sphere of influence due to limited effectiveness, it still appears like a challenging obstacle for larger powers.

Iran for sure seeks gains that may somehow help it getting closer to eastern Mediterranean but those gains alone wouldnt render a permanent control over even smaller parts of north western Syria because of strong Russian presence. And considering Russian military expansion towards up north of Syria, to Afrin to be exact, even those innocent gains are now cut off for good.

Russia's approach to Hezbollah has a lot to do with its perception of threat. Hezbollah has been acting as a very strong Iranian proxy for some time now and is situated close to Russian interests. Thats what bothers Russia.

All in all Iran shows teeth when necessary which I think it does in a pretty smart and efficient way. They literally kneeled down Americans while some others were barking at a distance. As a Turk who believes we have many in common with Persians I see no problem with being proud of how they stand up against the world powers. Im an optimist though, the world will see more action coming from us too once we are through the coming up referendum. All we have to do is to develop right approaches in the long run which will make Iran an ally. Like I said in my previous posts we need Iran and Iran needs us. We share something many dont; a mutual history!

 

No worries.

 

You could definitely make out of it 2 vague blocs being in an irregular warfare involving at least twice as much diplomacy as modern political history has ever witnessed in such kind of a hot spot conflict zones before. Unsurprisingly, this much of diplomacy gets people confused of the sides and their intentions.
Though little unpredictability is always welcomed in situations like this, given the uniqueness of what Syria's serving as to all world and regional powers, it's actually not that hard to follow the tracks that lead to relatively sensible predictions.

I said vague mainly because Turkey's volatile position. Although that volatility may be due to its fragile domestic affairs, it still manages to get its foreign strategy adapted to the fast changing political realites of the region. For example, 3 years ago Turkey was following a rather passive foreign policy, as was just being the useful idiot to the US. Having resolved one of the most painful problems that was responsible for its fragile domestic structure back then, it started to act more rational despite some thought it was too late to do so.

By forming up its own proxy army - thanks to its resources -human in particular- it could quickly set the right strategy and began following a much more active foreign policy. This not only made Turkiye a joining player that has had the dealer reshuffling the cards but has also blurred the lines separating the two blocs since it openly went against the western plans as being a part of the alliance.

To put things simpler:

Israel: The US angle is Israeli angle. And that is pretty much as you put; supporting free Kurdistan. The only problem is that Israel believes nothing should be done in the region without its consent and it bases this funny belief on a simple paranoid allegation that Iran is getting ready to destroy them.

Iran: Even though Iran is naturally against Western bloc this is not enough for it to be with Eurasia yet. We can say Iran is independently positioning itself, regardless of the fact that it takes into account the Eurasian ideals are still considerable to some extent.

Syria: A multiplayer chessboard. Assad is not even the owner of the board but is just a host-on-duty who has a "forced" sympathy for Russia. Here's Syria:



Russia: No matter how friendly it approaches to Assad, the chessboard of Syria is a mere tool for it to "bend" the globalist agenda -not destroying or not presenting an alternative to it- according to its own interests mostly in and around the lands it occupies. Politically speaking, this bending is turned into an aim for transforming western type of harsh capitalism into some format where it is possible to see more state interference in demostic affairs, especially in economics along with modified state-socialism implementations in healthcare, education, etc while the basics of capitalism are still preserved. Since all these can be found in most of the nation states of the 70s, some globalists are concerned if the globalist accomplishments after the fall of USSR are to be lost.

Let's keep going with Russia, I like Russia

To me, Russia is pushing for more "realistic" approachement which basically reflecting its own needs that may have well been surfaced during its early post-USSR experience. Considering the wide scale of demographic structure on vast lands, this realistic approach is pretty much understandable.

Imagine you have population of poor, uneducated and undocumented living by their own traditions in mostly remote areas rather than by the law and order the legit state authority requires them to oblige to. And imagine you have rivals at the other end of such large land mass who forced you to start over not so long ago and till now they did not seem they even cared whether you had to catch up with them in socio-economical and political terms in just a few decades. The only way out then is to implement -more or less- some nation-state principles. Since such implementations eventually helped you getting back on your feet again, that physical vastness naturally turned into a soft power tool for extending your influential zone to where you couldn't have imagined just a few decades earlier.

No matter how far the technological development brought us to, the remote/rural does still need special care, even when you take a look at things from a globalist perspective as it pretty much envisions a world of stereotypical society which is impossible to be reached at unless the remote/rural either gets "integrated" or "eliminated". So, the west, for better or worse, needs Russia keeping up with its historic mission which in the past was to "tame" the barbars of the east as much as it could and now is to help remote/rural to "integrate".

Look how pathetic the west can become once seen the ugly face of the integration. They all cry like babies, coming up with bunch of special terms and requests that are nothing more than further dragging feet. Moreover, they are justifying this uninviting attitude toward the migrants with "demands" of their own people while Russia appreciates the opportunity and has already started with undermining their fake unity by successfully increasing influence over European right. Russia tells the west this: "Look, you've been telling me to go by your terms which I tried but didn't work so well. So I had to come up with this mix. How about you going by my terms now?" Apparently Europe seems like it will give it a try

The bottom line is, the west can no longer have a safe space in that isolated pink bubble it created while the realities of life paving their way up to the surface from under the rug !

 

Feck-off, folks, it's Sunday. You'll have to use your own bile to boil in.

 

well. you know that "Syria " is a playground for WW3, and much like during WW2 Muscovy plays many balls in the same time ...

 

i know it, but i couldn´t get it, why Israel believes in it? is it because Persians ans Jews are the smartest people in region?