Iran mocks WWII Holocaust, prepares another

wait, you yell and moan about how you're not an anti-Semite, but now you admit to being a Holocaust denier????

LOL!!

 

The orthodox "Holocaust" story that was developed immediate post WWII is an atrocity propaganda myth used as all atrocity propaganda
myths are used -- as a political weapon. This is the greatest one ever created and it is enforced by laws in some weak states. It is also
mindlessly enforced by people that grew up with this being "an assumptive, unchallengeable "truth" ". I belonged to this group at one time.
The internet has offered a window into the exposure of this myth, and many others. If you know how to use the internet, have a basic
education in the sciences, and the will and an open mind then you will have no problem overcoming this. But you will have to put in some
time and maybe buy a book or three. It's expiry date is long overdue.

The reason that this myth is so highly enforced is that a lot has been invested in it. It truly is the "red pill" for western civilization.
And don't think that this is all about the Jews and Israel. Western powers have great reason to enforce this myth as they have used it to
justify their actions in WWII and beyond.

I always think of these scenes when I remember going through my wake up and removing the "splinter from my mind" that had haunted
me for so long. And I'm thinking about the second one here right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ1_IbFFbzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcXQ3C2d0g8

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The wiped off the map statement attributed to an Iranian, was found to be a very bad translation, either from an inept translator, or nefariously intentional, as propaganda. So, are you ignoring that fact, or is it you have not researched it and took the word of some right winger?

This back and forth between Israel and Iran is just what they do. If Iran were to try something on Israel, Iran would be black glass. But that does not keep Iran or Israel from acting like chimps.

But make sure you vote for Clinton, for she has a hard on for invading Iran, for it will make the defense industry very, very rich, and they can donate large sums of money to the Clinton Foundation, as the Saudis did, before they got a deal on arms and such.

So, many got pissed off because of the western cartoons of Mohammed, and now the Net In Yahoo, is upset because muslims created cartoons of the Nazi genocide? Perhaps we need to remind them that sticks and stones will break my bones, but words never hurt me? Or cartoons. LOL

As I said, this is chimp behavior and the mature pay little attention to it.

 

Oh man, can I relate. I've been reading and reading and I am shocked that we are some 11 pages into this thing and no one has been able to show proof that gas chambers were used on people. This is crazy and I am beginning to see what happened here. After only a few nights reading on this subject, I am pretty sure that as the official story goes, work camps somehow became "death" camps and that delousing chambers became gas chambers.

A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

 

LOL! Do you really care about anti-Semitism or is it a trick?

[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]

If you do care, then please check out this short vid on combating it. Yes, the guy is weird, but his points seem right on target:

[video=youtube;gnT5SJxxRO0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnT5SJxxRO0[/video]

 

Your wishes for the future and the way you see the world = Da'esh rational and that's why you cannot possibly win, simple dogmatic thinking till your enemy is destroyed that's the only thing you offer.

 

I dont care what you think about the Holocaust, I asked are you a Zionist shill/a Jew/ or under the effect of some Jew charm ? did a Jew pay you/threat or raped you to say you think Israel is a good idea?

I think not but Im asking to be sure.

 

You will, of course, ignore the fact that millions of Nazi documents, meticulously detailing the fates of all those they murdered and sent to death camps, are open for anyone to research, here: https://www.its-arolsen.org/en/archives/

Are those millions of documents a carefully orchestrated political myth? I won't expect an answer from you.

 

Army Air Corp....

 

Let me make it clear to you. I am not a Zionist.

 

i care about anti-Semitism.

you clearly do not, as you fan the flame of hatred against Jews.

 

Check this out then and tell me what you think:
[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]

And definitely this:
[video=youtube;gnT5SJxxRO0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnT5SJxxRO0[/video]

 

There are millions of people of the Jewish faith that disagree with Zionism, some even disagree with the "Holocaust Industry" that perpetuates the lie of mass extermination via so-called "concentration camps". They understand that "Labour camps" existed & that Zionist oragnisatiosn wish to perpetuate a lie on the World that a so-called "Holocaust" happened.

 

the Holocaist was real, millions of Jews were murdered, and its disgusting to question this fact.

the point of Holocaust denial is to convince the world that the Jews are all liars, and therefore should face terrible discrimination or genocide.

how ironic.

 

What a terrible lie you say.... You should be ashed of yourself!

The point is not to accuse anyone & not to promote genocide, those are your words & not the words of someone that denies the bonus claim of six million Jews "gassed" in camps such as Auschwitz and others.

I understand that some people, maybe even yourself wish to promote the "Holocaust Industry" for your own self interest. But please stop trying to dupe the rest of the World that it actually happened - it did not!

 

Does it matter if it was 12,000,000, 6,000,000, 3,000,000, 1,000,000, or a couple hundred thousand? It was terrible and Jews being singled out solely because of their religion is disgusting.

Ironic is your comment. I have been researching this topic for a bit now and I cannot say for sure that even one person was gassed to death, if the Nazi's used gas chambers on people, and if Hitler had an extermination program. The evidence in fact, points to just the opposite. If you have the mysterious proof of the above, then please post it. I really just want the truth here.

 

we know for a fact that at least 4.5 million Jews were murdered by the Nazis.

bringing it down to 250,000, is dishonest Holocaust denial

 

If your reasearch shows that not one Jewish person was gasses to death, then surely you have to accept by your reasearch that many 1000's of Gays, Russians, Gypsies, Communists (oh and some people of the Jewish faith) were also killed. But most were killed as a result of starvation & typhus endemic within the labour camps. This was mostly brought on by the mass bombing by the RAF & US 8th Air force, that destroyed the infrastructure on the collapsing Nazi state.

There are many lies about mass murder that has changed over the years. Originally there was the lie that four millioln of the six million were gassed in Auschwitz, this reduced to just over one million when faced with facts. But the lie of six million still continued!!!

Zionist mathematics 6-4=6.

The Zionist liars are holding a busted flush & all they have is to shout "facist" & "anti-semite" to anyone that points out their foul lies.

 

Lunecat you have said as part of your back up for your claims that Norman Finkelstein denies the holocaust. He does not. I was reading only recently an article he wrote on that in particular with reference to Jonathan Freedman's misrepresentations of what he had written in The Holocaust Industry. I would have put this in earlier but I couldn't remember where I had seen it - Ah, his own site. so for you

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/05/27/jonathan-freedland-keeps-digging-how-low-will-he-go/

I think you should read it because your claim that you have him as back up to holocaust denial when he himself lost family in same is very wrong.

From the above link

Regarding the no's killed at Auschwitz, Raul Hiburgh who wrote the first major and most widely esteemed book on the subject 'The destruction of the European Jews' like Finkelstein put the number of killed at around 5,000,000 and of those killed at Auschwitz the 1,000,000 long before this became the accepted number. The number hence does not rely on those killed at Auschwitz.

 

You have a marginal point about one of my three sources. Norman Finkelstein doesn't acutually deny the Jewish holocaust, he only desputes the numbers & that it has been used as a financial Industry to benifit the Jewish community to make financial gain by claiming financial reprobations.

Thankyou for pointing this fact to our members.

 

Yes... as odd at that might sound, that seems to be the story.

It seems that somehow, work camps got switched to "death" camps like delousing chambers got switched to gas chambers.

 

Mega Dittos on this.

It is truly amazing that so many of these mega posting "Guru" entitled posters on a POLITICAL FORUM have
evidently done NO research into this most obscene of political propaganda weapons. You would think that this would
be Political Forum Primary Research. But I guess if all you read is the works of the holocaust and WWII mythology enforcers then well...

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you claim to be a Jew, now your questioning the Holocaust??

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at least 4.5 million Jews were murdered by the Nazis.

get over it

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lies.

no one has claimed 6 million Jews were gassed.

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its very possible that at least 6 million Jews did die at the hands of Nazis, through shooting, gassing, beating, starvation, torture, disease and other forms of death. To deny this, is bigoted Holocaust denial.

the fact is, millions of Jews dissapeared from Europe during WW2.

 

Where'd you come to this conclusion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVy-dxuzLk You have an asshatted look on things.

My friend's dad brought back Jewskin lampshades.
You're seriously barking up the wrong tree here.
I've seen jew-filling ashtrays,ok? Gold.

 

Like I said Hillberg's book was the first and I think the most respected book written on the holocaust. His estimate was I think 5,100,000 and that is all anyone can do is estimate. No one thinks of him as a denier or holocaust revisionist for his number. Likewise Finkelstein being a friend of Hillberg takes his number. That you now are trying to take the most respected book on the holocaust and use that as an excuse for holocaust denial has to be one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever seen.

I looked to see again what you had written on Finkelstein and see that you do not in fact say that he denied the holocaust, rather you imply it by giving his book as back up for why the holocaust 'illusion' was created to your way of thinking. The 'illusion' of the holocaust was according to your mind and your writing in this thread created so that the misuse of it which Finkelstein speaks of in his book can happen at a later time. Now while I do not think it is impossible that someone could read the material on line and honestly question the gas chambers without being antisemetic, how anyone can come to the deductions you clearly have other than antisemitism is highly questionable- what you say implies you believe that Jews are such crafty beings that they would pretend there had been a deliberate destruction of themselves decades before they decide to exploit it. It beggars belief!

I respect Finkelstein and I can tell you he does not in any way respect people who use his book to try and deny the Holocaust or to try and link him with their denial. I may yet find if I were to look at all your posts that you have indeed outright claimed that he denied it. I have just found another of your strong inferences that this is so

Lunecat you are deliberately misrepresenting Finkelstein's position. He is a well known critic of Israel but I do not think even an antizionist and you are deliberately using him to back up your claim that there was no holocaust when that is not the truth. You say again and again that you have Jews on your side for this and he is the most famous you mention but he in no way denies the holocaust - nor using Hillberg's number is he a holocaust revisionist. He does speak of later exploitation but that is a totally different issue that the conspiracy you are putting forward.

You either are erroneously presenting yourself as a hard lined antisemite who has come up with a conspiracy theory on the holocaust that it was an invention created for the sole purpose that Jews could continually use it to get what they want or you have done some half baked reading and put two and two together and come up with 19 and are now making a very big fool of yourself in which you are presenting yourself as having a racist hatred of Jews because you do not have the ability to properly deal with information you receive. You have in any case repeatedly produced a false account of Finkelstein's position. As that is your strongest back up, I suggest you either go back to the drawing board or expect people to imagine you are a hard wired antisemite looking for conspiracy theories against Jews. You know what Lunecat, though I do not agree with laws against holocaust denial and do believe intellectuals ought to have as much right to discuss the ins and outs of it as anything else, by creating the conspiracy theory you have here and I do believe that you have indeed created a new conspiracy theory - it kind of gives credence as to why some places have these laws.

Now as I said at the beginning I can understand why people get confused when they start looking on line at all the holocaust denial stuff and that may be what has happened to you - but when they then try to justify this by linking to people like Finkelstein as proof - they are either showing poor intellectual judgement or gross antisemitism - and as clearly it is not something which stands up I am going to go by the bet of poor intellectual
judgement. You have put yourself in a corner now. You can carry on with your half baked ideas and make a fool of yourself or retreat and do more study till you know what you are talking about.