Iran raises uranium enrichment beyond nuclear deal limits

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  1. Sobo

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    Iran is anti apartheid.
     
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    Besides producing arms, and financing terrorists, what global aspirations does Iran have? Oil and terror are all that Iran exports. So global warming and death are Iran's global contributions. John Kerry did represent this country, and he was panicked at the thought of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. The EU representitives were panicked too. Pretend what you like, but Iran is a terrorist state and very few people outside Tehran ever deny it. You're one of very few.
     
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    Iran gives money to Hamas so they can attack Israel.
     
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    The difference being that now they are enriching more uranium and inching closer to a bomb than they were a few months ago.
     
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    You're asking or telling?
    All I said is that we should use our analysts to give us information on the fault lines in Iranian society so we can make smart decisions on how to deal with them.
     
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    The difference is that they're admitting it publicly. Obama and Kerry never claimed the Iran deal was a "solution" to Iran's nuclear / ICBM aspirations. The economic trade offs for the slow down in enrichment allowed Iran to amass funds and procure $9bn in Russian advanced weapons. The US & EU didn't get any binding or permanent concessions from Iran.
     
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    I gave you the "analysis" and yes ASKED if you had anything that should be included in that "analysis". Other than global warming and terror, what are Iran's socio-economic contributions to the global community? Ironically the EU nations who swore an oath under the Paris Accord to reduce carbon emissions, aren't even trying ween themselves off of Iranian & Russian oil. So more broadly my "analysis" reveals that the EU is financing Putin's hypersonic arms race, and Rouhani's ICBM program. If you have anything to add, now's the time, my "analysis" is complete.
     
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    You made an unsupported assertion (see above) that fell well short of being "analysis." You then proceeded to make an absurd claim I denied Iran is underwriting international terrorism.
    There are Iranians who would like to live in a free society and have their country be a positive force in the world. We should appeal to these Iranians and give them hope they can drive the mullahs from power. Analysts can point us to these people, help us understand them, and learn how we can help them undermine the dictatorship.
    "Ween themselves" of oil or just Iranian and Russian oil?
    Good to see "analysis" is in quotation marks.
     
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    Nuthin' to add, as far as Iran's "other" contributions to the global comminity? :omfg: Shocker! :roflol:
     
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    Or the choice is ours.

    Trump, probably under Netanyahu's and Bolton's auspices, wants to force Iran to bow to our wishes through force and sanctions. The intent is to cause civil strife in Iran, something we seemed to have excelled at in the past. Trump's advisors, who I see as blinded by inherent animosities and personal self interests, think that nations which have never been subservient in the past, will bow to pressure and react the same as nations and people who have always been subservient.


    The only thing the fools that advise Trump will manage to do, is unite the Iranian people even more so and give more power to the ruling forces in Iran. Trump wants Moscow to join in with these idiocies, but they know the futility of them. Besides the immorality and illegality of sanctions.

    Vladimir Putin will no more let the Iranian people suffer to please Israel and the US, than he will allow the Georgian people to suffer for the malevolent actions of some anarchists and a broadcaster even though his own Duma voted to sanction and punish Georgia.

    If Trump goes ahead with more sanctions, we are leaving Iran with no choice but war.
     
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    Yeah, it just moved the place we are today out 10 years.
    What good was that? The meanie will probably be dead by then - there's that.
     
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    A lot depends on Germany now and the EU. Will they go against the US and ignore the sanctions the way Russia is doing, or will they bow to US wishes?

    There is a big problem with Iran having nukes, and it has nothing to do with Israel. If Iran gets them, won't Saudi Arabia and Turkey want them as well - and who can trust Turkey and Saudi Arabia? Those countries are nuts and have a messianic vision of themselves. I can see the whole Middle East going up in flames.

    Anyway what the US is doing is not going to stop Iran from having nukes, but only exacerbate the situation. Hopefully Russia will help bring about some solution, but will the neo cons accept it? I doubt it!





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    "Iran raises uranium enrichment beyond nuclear deal limits"

    I didn't think any deal was valid any longer with regards to the U.S.
     
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    Our decision is already made, we cannot allow them nuclear military capability.

    If iran chooses to pursue nuclear weapons they choose to lose their nuclear facilities to the USAF
     
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    They did a poll there, that showed about half the Jews in Israel openly say they would support ethnic cleansing Arabs. So you know. It's damn racist. And they did ethnically cleanse about 90% of all the Arabs in Israel. And some more across the border. I can source this.
     
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    The Ayatollah of Iran said Iran does not need or want a nuclear weapon. If that is true then why was there a need for a nuclear agreement in the first place?
     
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    I just read that he offered not to enrich anymore uranium if Trump will cancel the sanctions, but from what I gathered, Trump is going to sanction them even more. I think maybe the problem is Syria. Israel wants the Iranians out of Syria, but Assad refuses unless the American troops leave.
     
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    Of course it's racist, but let's look at it another way. What happened to all the Christians in Anatolia and the Middle East?
     
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    In other words their lives are inconsequential to us. Isn't that the same mentality we fought in WWII? What's wrong with removing the sanctions in exchange for Iran stopping their nuclear development? Wouldn't that be better than throwing the world into WWIII.
     
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    It's clear that if Iran wanted sanctions lifted they would stop funding terrorists, not pursue nukes and acknowledge Israel's right to exist.
    If they need some agreement to encourage them to do what is right. Then no agreement has any meaning.
    They don't need to do things to get something from us. They need to do them because it's right. Then they will deserve the sanctions lifted.

    This isn't tit for tat. It's rewards for a change of heart abd doing the right thing.
     
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    yes... lets go deflect ASAP.
     
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    And about the Ayatollah of Iran stating several time Iran didn't need or want a nuclear weapon? With so many countries backing away from nuclear power why does Iran want nuclear power when they have so much oil they can export large amounts and still have enough to power their electrical power plants? Iran also has enough sunshine to make solar energy feasible. So why is it important for Iran to have nuclear energy at the expense of starting a war?
     
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    Nothing will stop Iran from creating a nuke. The deal had a sunset clause and the deal was sweet for Iran and allowed the EU countries to continue their trade with Iran. Trump is ratcheting up sanctions, the only thing that will hurt Iran so I would expect the EU and Iran to react.
     
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    The deal required Trump, every 90 days to affirm their compliance when he had no way to confirm their compliance.

    I HAD BEEN ASSURED THAT TRUMP’S ABANDONMENT OF THE IRAN DEAL WOULD LEAVE US ISOLATED AND FRIENDLESS IN THE MIDDLE EAST: U.S. Arranges Secret Talks Between Israel, U.A.E. Over Iran. “Washington prods longtime adversaries on intelligence sharing, military cooperation against a common threat.”

    The meetings were convened by Brian Hook, the State Department’s top official for Iran, and are the latest sign of a steady thaw between Israel and Gulf Arab nations, largely brought about by their shared antipathy toward Tehran and its attempts to spread its regional influence.

    A first meeting took place this spring and a second was held more recently, a U.S. official said. The exact dates and locations of the un-publicized meetings couldn’t be learned. Their existence was known to only a handful of people within the U.S. government, officials said.

    Israel has diplomatic ties among Arab states only with Egypt and Jordan. Historic disagreements remain with those two as well as other Arab nations, particularly over the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

    But covert, and occasionally overt, contacts between Israel and Gulf Arab nations have increased rapidly in recent years as concerns grew about Iran’s nuclear program and its role in conflicts in Iraq, Syria and Yemen.​

    Smart Diplomacy™.
     

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