Iran Shoots Down US Drone

You know full well that is a lie.

 

No, I don't, it was reported the drone was not armed

(this picture of one like the one shot down is unarmed)

Plus the Iranians acknowledged collecting pieces of the drone they shot down in the straits of Hormutz (not Iranian airspace).

 

Engaged and crash landing aren't the safe thing.

 

It is very difficult to find if the drone was over the international water or in the Iranian airspace, both sides will lie, but there is one true fact:

If an Iranian soldier reveals that the drone was over the international waters – he will be sentenced to death.

If an US soldier reveals that the drone was over Iranian space – he maybe dishonorable discharged from the army.

 

You may believe Trump is lying, but you don't KNOW that he is. You prefer to believe the Iranians in spite of their long record of deceit. That is your right. It has not been proven where the drone
was. You are wrong to claim "You know full well that is a lie" to Ultra. That is simply untrue. Others have the right to disagree with you. The preponderance of evidence indicates that the Iranians
have attacked tankers in international waters, why wouldn't they shoot down a drone there as well?

 

Kim Iversen weighs in

 

It is very likely pieces of the thing will fall vertically from where it was struck, did you see this picture of the drone Iranians said they hit:

I think it looks like it is falling vertically from about where it was hit.

 

She reminds me of Tulsi Gabbard.

Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatolla Khamenei, has said that nuclear weapons are un-Islamic, so take that for what it's worth.

As for the nuclear enrichment, it seems to be to pressure Europe to help end the sanctions and not a real effort to build a bomb.

From Reuters:
Tehran said in May it would reduce compliance with the nuclear pact it agreed with world powers in 2015, in protest at the United States’ decision to unilaterally pull out of the agreement and reimpose sanctions last year.

Iran added that it would start enriching uranium at a higher level unless other European signatories to the deal protected its economy from the U.S. sanctions within 60 days.

"Iran's two-month deadline to remaining signatories of the JCPOA (nuclear deal) cannot be extended, and the second phase will be implemented exactly as planned," atomic agency spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi was quoted as saying by Tasnim news agency.

President Hassan Rouhani said Iran’s actions were the "minimum" measures Tehran could adopt one year after the U.S. withdrawal from the deal, but said they were reversible.

"If our demands are not met, we will take new measures after 60 days, calculated from May 8," Rouhani said in a cabinet meeting broadcast on state television.

"But if they return to their commitments, we will cancel all measures taken in the first 60 days or possibly the second 60 days, and there won't be any problem."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TK0JU

 

Here is a very long video from The Duran on the drone story.
I like these guys. Usually their videos are not this long.
They do not like Pompeo or Bolton.

 

Air space is not a internationally recognized standard. There are great differences in what different countries claim as their airspace. In this case Iran claims the drone invaded their airspace, and the US is contending that their airspace does not conform with international standards. The killing of even 1 Iranian in response to the downing of an unmaned drone that probably was invading their claimed airspace would be an extreme over response.

 

Dear Iran: We believe that it is possible that an over-zealous member of your anti-aircraft team mistakenly shot down our drone. Mistakes happen! If this is true, please send us $110 million to reimburse our taxpayers for the damage you did to our equipment.

If, on the other hand, you intentionally destroyed our drone, please be advised that we must then destroy your antiaircraft facilities. This destruction will happen 48 hours from the time of this notice; there is nothing you can do to prevent it, it's gonna happen. Please see to the safe evacuation of your personnel from these locations within 48 hours, we'd hate for anyone to get hurt.

Your pal,
Uncle Sam

 

Aside from 1 of the world's most advanced anti-air defences... Iran is a 1st world nation, an economy in the top 20, a population 4 times Germany's and terrain so unsuited to invasion horses would do better than tanks in most of the country.

They also have a defense pact with Russia. A defense pact Russia will honor as the conquest of Iran would put US forces directly at Russia's oil rich underbelly.

If the US invades Iran, it won't be quick, it won't be clean and it won't be cheap. It will be the start of WW3 however.

 

I disagree. The US has been in an aggressive position towards Iran since it reneged on JCPA. Iran says this drone was accompanied by a plane with 35 people on board and was flying in stealth mode. If we give Iran the benefit of the doubt that whether or not the US thinks this, they believe it was in Iran's International Air space then at the very least Iran could see the plane a) as a spy and b) as a test of their air defense. To not shoot it down is acting as all other countries in the region have done - that is to tell the US and Israel they are beaten and they can do as they want with Iran. Iran is not an Iraq or a Syria or a Libya. Iran chose not to shoot the accompanying plane with the 35 people on board down so that life was not lost but it also chose to let the US know it will not suffer aggression quietly.

 

At one point the US sent spy planes over Soviet territory. The Soviets shot one down. The U2 incident, for those who weren't around at the time.
After the Soviets proved they could take out the U2, flying at 60 000 feet, the US stopped overflight missions (against the Soviet Union, not others), and turned
to spy satellites instead. More details here.

We shouldn't go to war over the shooting down of a drone flying near, if not in, Iranian airspace.

Of course, if the Iranians sent their navy to cruise off our shores, and then shot down an American civilian airliner, flying over American territory, killing hundreds of American citizens, that would indeed be a justification for all-out war. No nation with any masculine national pride would let something like that go by with just a protest, and accept whatever hypocritical apologies and blood-money the attackers offered. And shooting down a civilian airliner is just exactly what a war-mongering militarized bullying nation like Iran would do. So we must be aware.

 

Are you being sarcastic?

 

Not true, the US Air Force intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance plane (RC 135) is like a short haul commuter jet, I’ve been in one. They’re nearing the end of their usefulness, no stealth capabilities. The dual engine RC 135 is crammed with small radar and radio monitoring desks, unarmed, used to track other aircraft and their communications. The Air Force wants to discontinue this fleet, too vulnerable and they’ve developed better ways to gather intelligence.

 

Sorry I did not put that well. It was the drone which Iran said was in stealth mode.

 

Glad Plus Ultra that apart from that misunderstanding you have no problems with what I said...so to look a bit further, it looks like Trump stopped the beginning of a war with Iran and that that is going to have to happen in some other way - given that the drone was the excuse for war this suggests a question about the US honesty as to where the drone and plane were.

There was a guy, sorry can't remember name, on this morning telling us how the US will manage to get into war with Iran and castigating Trump for not allowing this one saying the US will be seen as a coward. So here, according to him, is how the US will get into war with Iran. They will wait the next few days till Iran starts doing what the Treaty stopped it doing, a Treaty Israel was determined should not be made. Once Iran having waited over a year since the US did, goes against the JCPA, he believes Israel will have no alternative than go to war with Iran. If this is Israel's position why on earth did she demand the US give it up? Once that starts the US will immediately go in to help poor Israel.

Well I guess in that scenario there will be one change. Israel will be fighting and risking her own.

 

The Federal Reserve establishes monetary policy, not congress and not the president. Fiscal policy is determined by congress and the president.

 

And yet against advice from his senior advisors Trump chose not to retaliate since it meant killing Iranians.

 

Iran getting a nuclear weapon is Trump's red line.

 

Trump did not campaign on getting along with the rest of the world. He did campaign on not starting another war in the ME.

 

So far everyone who has tried to second guess what Trump would do in the ME has been wrong. He campaigned on not starting another war in the ME.

 

The RC-135 is a large 4 engine aircraft. Maybe you flew on the E-2 Hawkeye which is a small aging twin engine Navy aircraft?

 

It also made the stick market go artificially high

More excuses and creative bookkeeping to try and excuse obama but facts are facts and facts are Obama was the first president never to have a single annual GDP of 3%, he presided over the slowest economic recovery from recession in history and had an average 1.5% GDP.