They did exactly this, we ignored them, they shot down the drone and let the maned spy plane escape to avoid a body count. You can't spin this as anything other than American aggression without lying.
I understand your confusion but I provided you with the numbers. The data used for the "average" number that Fox is giving is not given. Adding up the numbers in the link I gave you comes to 17.5/8 = 2.19 average GDP. This is the 8 Obama Fiscal Years = 2010 to 2017 in the data. What some do is go from 2009 to 2016. The 2009 fiscal year runs from October 2008 to October 2009 = This is still during Bush's tenure -and for sure the vast majority of the spending was done under Bush. GDP for 2009 was (-2.5) due to the crash - a crash which Obama had nothing to do with so it is disingenuous (and I am being kind here) to attributed this GDP decrease to Obama. If you take out 2.2 (which is from 2017) and put in -2.5 from 2009 the average is then 12.5/8 = 1.6 (closer to the figure that is being cited). This is the problem with blaring out some statistic while having little understanding of what that stat means. It is preposterous nonsense to blame Obama for the decline in GDP for "fiscal" 2009 because he had nothing to do with fiscal policy in that fiscal year - and certainly not economic conditions which caused the GDP decrease. You can chalk that one up to Bush. As you may or many not realize - I can't stand Obama and view him as the worst kind of Scum. It is not that he did things so much differently that other Presidents - It is that he touted himself as the exact opposite. Who knew - a Harvard Constitutional scholar and civil rights activist - that hates the founding principles and civil rights. With Trump you knew pretty much what you were getting before hand in many respects. That said - just because I can't stand Obama does not mean I am going to blame him for things he did not do - same with Trump. I will give credit where due and criticism where due. That is not what you are doing here .. you are putting on blinders and pretending that anything that comes out of Trumps backside smells like roses. My guess is that Melania would beg to differ Republican pundits couldn't get enough of trashing Obama for the huge deficits that existed during his time - including falsehoods and complete mischaracterization which is not helpful and only creates division. No one likes to see someone blamed for something they did not do - hence the rule of law principles - one person should not be punished for the actions of another. This division exacerbated by doing things like this and this is doing serious harm to the nation. In many respects we are a nation that is being run on the basis of BS. These Red pundits all stood up and saluted the flag of fiscal responsibility- ran out and bought patches for their jackets and put tattoos on their foreheads declaring their fidelity to "fiscal responsibility". Then - when a Red President gets in -- and runs massive deficits - at a time when the economy is doing well so these deficits are not justifiable - all of a sudden the Red Pundits are no longer interested in Fiscal responsibility. Only someone engaging in some serious self delusion does not see this hypocrisy for what it is. Not only is the Trump admin increasing the deficit during relatively good economic times - he is doing this in a rising interest rate environment. This is the pinnacle of fiscal irresponsibility. Pointing to Obama does not change this fact and further - Obama didn't run on being fiscally responsible. Trump and every other Republican in congress did.
If satellites were also used to bomb people the way drones are, maybe. But I think of it all in terms of what would we do if the country did the same to us. The U.S. is such foreign policy hypocrites.
Economic sanctions are complicated area. I won't pretend I understand perfectly well what they were on paper and how rigorously they were enforced on practice. And how they compare with what Trump is doing to Iran right now. But previous sanctions have crushed the Iranian economy and brought its leaders to the negotiating table. I see no reason for the same thing not happening again.
It actually does belong to Iran and Oman. They claim the entire straight, and other countries may go through a transit area. And that area does not reach to the shore of Iran.
Negative. Iran never dropped their nuclear idea's no matter what sanctions were in place. THAT brought the west to the negotiation table, because the west wanted to know what the hell Iran was up to in their facilities and so to make sure no bombs were made.
Doesn't matter. The drone was a high tech spy/Surveillance asset probing Iran's coastal defenses. After years of reneging on international agreements, threats of war and destruction, illegal sanctions that are crushing Iran's economy amounting to economic warfare and now military encroachments including carrier group right off Iran's border as a prelude to a war everyone can feel coming, Iran has every right to defend itself and shoot down hostile spy assets. This is the logical course your lunatic foreign policy was taking you right from the moment you tore up an international agreement. If is is true that US was moments away from fulfilling it's goal of unilateral war against Iran then dumbass Don might have just saved your failing idiot empire from something 100 times more disastrous than Iraq. Credit where credit is due if he averted disaster at the last moment. But with all your bullying and threats and aggression, you still have a cornered badger on your hands and just because the badger bit back and drew first blood and showed that just like all bullies, when you stand up to them, they are cowards at heart, doesn't mean the situation has changed. You still have a cornered badger on your hands and no idea how to get out of the situation that YOU created all on your own. Sure you can nuke them out of existence. But the rest of the world would condemn you and it would probably bring your idiot coward empire to it's knees. If you try conventional war this is what you are up against and this is just in the gulf. It does not include Iranian proxies in Iraq which you empowered with your last idiot illegal war of aggression in 2003. Then there is Hezbollah and forces in Yemen which the hapless, cowardly Saudi princes have been unable to defeat despite having all the money in the world and all the high tech US weapons money can buy. This is exactly where you were headed from the moment this lunatic administration tore up the JCPOA. Whatcha gonna do? Who you gonna call? Perhaps back off on the sanctions and treat Iran with some respect.........nah, you're too good and glorious and righteous for that.......... F8ckin idiots.
It brought Obama to the negotiating table. Tim Cotton and 46 other republican senators warned Iran that the deal most likely won't last.
As a signee of the NNPT, unlike Israel, they have every right to have a domestic nuclear program and they international community negotiated a way to keep that from being weapons in the short term. The US unilaterally reneged on an international agreement that all experts and inspectors had agreed Iran was living to the letter of. The US has done nothing but issue threats, economic warfare in the form of sanctions and is now assembling military forces outside Iran's border. What do you expect them to do. You are the aggressor. The rest of the signees are desperately trying to keep some form of the deal in place in spite of US threats against their economies. As North Korea knows, the only way to defend yourself against US aggression is to go nuclear. This is the situation that you have created and that you are now going to have to deal with. Don't you think the rest of the world can see who the aggressor is? Yes, restraint. Iran is going to defend itself against your cowardly bullying of weaker nations and you are going to have to deal with that.
I had to google that. Yup, pretty much. This is an administration that is completely devoid of strategy or goals and just blunders around stepping on people because it thinks it is tougher than everyone else. I believe another way of putting it is "cruising for a bruising."
.... biting off more than you can chew. ...... letting your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. .... all hat and no cattle. There's more, I'm sure. The zugzwang analogy was a nod to the Grand Chessboard, or checkerboard in this administration's case.
and the same goes for your opinion that it wasnt. Although Iran is now claiming to have the wreckage, so I guess my theory holds a bit more water than yours.
Not really. I just know that Trump and Bolton are huge huge liars, and I dont trust them either. I believe that Bolton would say or do anything in order to get the war with Iran that he wants. And I believe Trump would listen to him because he likes to look like the tough kid on the block.
Not wanting another war in the middle east is not the same as being 'pro Iran'. It is more pro diplomacy, keeping treaties, looking for peaceful solutions through talk - the sort of things the US seems to have forgotten. War should always be the last choice and needed genuinely for defense.
He says Iran tells the truth and the U.S. lies. He is pro Iran because he can't prove either side is at fault.
