Iran Shot Down The Ukrainian Airliner

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  1. Esperance

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    Though I will generally dismiss the Daily Mail, I admit the shrapnel holes in debris indicate a shootdown and only Iran could do it in Iran.
     

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    Iran has invited investigators from Ukraine and elsewhere to conduct a thorough investigation. If it had shut down the plane, I doubt it would be doing so. But I will await the results of the investigation and, for now, chalk this talk to an obvious attempt to make sure no one talks or is focused on something else that happened at around the same time!
     
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    Why don't you just wait for those who are investigating the crash, including a huge team which has come to Tehran from the Ukraine, to conclude their investigation before jumping the gun. Whatever happened, the idea that it was shut down by an Iranian missile seems unlikely for the simple fact that if that was the case, Iran would know the cause of the crash!
     
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    When a plane crash, the debris field is limited. When a plane is blown off in the sky the debris are scattered in a wide area, which seems to be the case presently.
     
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    The photo of a tail fin from a surface to air missile is pretty compelling.

    Meanwhile the US had plenty of surveillance capabilities in the air and in space at the very moment. When they talk about two missiles, it isn't just a subjective assessment.
     
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    In the 1980's a Korean airliner flew far off course away from its Seoul destination toward top secret Soviet installations. The Soviet MiG's were scrambled and shot it down in Soviet air space killing 269 civilians and crew aboard. But the Russian pilots had no way of knowing if it was a passenger plane or a reconnisance aircraft as the aircraft did not respond to queries or warning shots. This stuff happens. Flying is risky. The Soviets admitted they shot it down but if they had not little would be known today.
     
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    Based on the things I know for a fact from personal knowledge, which the US government misrepresents (never anonymous sources), forgive me if I won't trust them and wanting to wait the result of the investigation. Besides, the vaunted 'surveillance capabilities' of the US has not shown to be all that vaunting recently! They couldn't understand or track the Aramco attack. And Iran's aerospace commander finished a press briefing a couple of hours ago explaining how Iran used electronic warfare to disable US surveillance, early warning and air defenses in the missile attack against the US air base.
     
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    That's swell. So why did your islamo-nazi government delay access to the crash site and why are they withholding the black boxes? Face it, your government is so damn incompetent that they shot down a civilian aircraft full of Iranians.
     
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    Under regulations, Iran leads any investigation, including as it relates to studying the black box. But a large team from Ukraine is in the process of investigation the issue and will also have access to all the evidence, including the plane's black box.
    If you were interested in the truth, as opposed to propaganda, you would do what is ordinarily the case: wait for the investigation to start and finish before jumping to conclusions.
     
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    And democrats want these guys to have nukes.
     
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    I am well versed in the capabilities of the US Air Force to monitor what is going on within a certain air space.

    To me, the only question that remains is whether it was accidental or intentional.
     
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    Who cares about what you think? Or what you claim. The ones tasked with the investigation will do their job and report their findings.
     
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    I await the conclusions but do not expect much information as Iran wont even let anyone examine the black boxes. Do you have an alternate explanation for holes that blow in rather than out?
     
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    Obama hated Israel as much as his Alawite brethren do. The motivation was not to prevent, it was only to provide the appearance of a constructive deal.
     
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    To remove any particular evidence that could implicate them. They just happened to miss the tail fin from their missile that was in the current line of fire.

    Granted, it surely was a mistake, but they should have grounded all commercial flights well before they launched. This could have easily been prevented.
     
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    Iran will not hand the black box to anyone else, but I am not aware of Iran saying it will allow the investigators to examine it while in Iran.

    I am no expert, but I can guess at different causes (bomb on the plane, fire that sets up an explosion of a full fuel tank, etc) for the explosion any damage to the air frame from the point of explosion. I don't think it would need to be a missile.
     
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    Obviously you have your opinion that is different from mine. I deal with facts and reality. The photos speak volumes.

    And the photos that Daily Mail posted over the past two days show a tragic end for some promising and happy lives.

    No need on my part to wait for the spin.
     
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    LOL Of course not. You prefer to do the spinning! I prefer for the results of an investigation, including from the team sent by the Ukraine and also Iran's own investigators.
     
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    not all shoot downs lead to the complete destruction of the plane, many of them start with the ability to control the plane. a plane can be hit my a missile be badly damaged and still land.

    I am trying not to jump to conclusions but the timing is awfully suspicious. i just don't see how killing Ukrainians and Canadians benefits Iran in any way.
     
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    Interesting...
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    :roflol:

    WRONG.

    Back to the OP, there is no FINAL Determination as to whether Iran accidentally shot down the Ukranian Passenger Jet.

    However, IF that was the case, the Blood falls clearly on Trump's Hands for putting Iran in that position.

    Trump Kills the General = Dead Innocent Passengers.

    My heart goes out to the Victims (of Trump"s reckless conduct).:smh:
     
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    Let me guess-the people trampled at his funeral are Trumps fault as well....
     
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    Hmmm missile tail fin and obvious scatter evidence of a missile and he's the one spinning. Bagdad Bob I'm glad you made it to Iran.
     
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