Iran threatens to Clost Straits of Hormuz

I don't know what you "think" you are doing but you have made no relevant point at all. Be a good fellow and find a better way to make your case.

 

Finally, the definitive proof we've all been waiting for. This one is actually 'on topic'!

 

Neither general Sada, nor other enthusiasts of the "AIPAC lobbied in favor of Iraq war because Israel" tune, don't know a damn thing about what Israel really wants.

It's much easier to deal with the evil you already know, be it Saddam or Assad - yes, despite the widespread misconceptions, Israel doesn't like sudden regime changes in the region, which introduce unknown variables.

In fact, Israel warned the Bush administration against invading Iraq.
http://www.ipsnews.net/2007/08/politics-israel-warned-us-not-to-invade-iraq-after-9-11/

 

Excuse me. I posted the quote in RED by others. I was merely showing that Saddam planned to attack Israel with WMD. Bush thwarted that plan.

 

mistake

 

i really botched it this time. The RED was a quote by others. Sada did not claim that Israel lobbied. The closest to lobby Bush to invade Iraq was the king of Jordan and despite what the media says, Saudi Arabia was so sick of Saddam they too agreed with the invasion of Saddam's country.

General Sada was very critical of the older Bush for not finishing Saddam off. He reported that with no help at all, 14 of the 18 provinces of Iraq were cleared of Saddam's forces only to lose during the mop up of the remaining 4 provinces, called the Sunni Triangle. Bush the Son did the right thing. The problems he encountered with the former Saddam people killing many plus our troops was due to the older Bush not finishing the job. He said that Bush 43 was a true wartime commander but not the older Bush 41.

 

I watched his interview with the Asia society. He does not believe that Trump wants war. This seems to be a very commonly held belief. Generally I have heard the suggestion that it was given to Trump that the starving would soon get them grovelling to him giving the US anything they wanted and he would be seen as the Great Peace Maker. Nothing could be further from the truth as Ian's foreign Minister said in this meeting they are very proud people, who had an empire far longer than the US has been in existence.

Here is who he believes is responsible

He repeatedly calls them the 4 B's

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Zarif:-B-Team,-not-Trump,-wants-war-with-Iran-46860.html

This is a great interview. Highly recommended. He does speak about the closure of the straits of Hormuz.

 

... and ...

I guess we are all humans .... even me.

 

Iran has been pushed around and side-lined by the U.S. for a long, long time. But their leaders are intelligent and shrewd, maybe even more so than Vladmir Putin. Anyway, Iran plays its cards very well and they never seem to take any step forward without several ingenious back-up plans. Make no mistake, they know the seriousness of the situation because they have many decades of experience with American treachery. They are survivors. I am now going to watch the interview you've linked but in the mean-time, I think it would be a good idea for everyone to understand what you wrote:

" ... they are very proud people, who had an empire far longer than the US has been in existence."

Americans might scoff and miss the depth of that point which proves they understand nothing and will never bring the Persians to their knees.

 

I arrive at this junction with a very different take on Iranians than the typical American. Why is this? I have met them. I have been smart enough to spend more time asking them than telling them. They know their culture better. I was at one time in my appraisal career a partner with an Iranian. I was able to meet and talk for over an hour with the man who headed up Iran's police force communications system. He worked many years for the Shah's government. A book in my library was given to me by an Iranian scholar. i have met some of their medical doctors. I met some professionals who were engineers and others who were happy I had my two ears working and just one mouth.

I took to dinner a woman from Iran who I hoped to know a lot better. She was so shallow that I quickly lost interest in her and she was a very pretty woman. She was on the hunt for a sugar daddy. Anyway, Iranians also will try to fool you and other iranians. They are not cartoon figures. The day of the Simpson verdict on TV I was with an Iranian and watched how he reacted to OJ being found not guilty. He burst out in enormous joy. He told me that women are secondary. A woman he blamed for her own death by OJ did not bother him one bit. i asked why he was so cruel to her and so kind to OJ. I learned a lot in a few minutes as he explained the low level women are in Iran. They still are deeper than that. i used to talk a lot to an Iranian who came close he believes to execution. His problem was he was a teacher and he did not want to teach the party dogma to students but something different. He was called in to explain what he was up to. He managed to slip by and decided he was not gong to last long in iran and plotted how to leave Iran in one piece. Later after many years in California, he converted to being a Catholic. He explained to me that Islam is a very dangerous and violent religion. Factor that in too so you don't get caught napping. Stop apologizing for America. If you lived in iran and wanted a drink, you smuggle booze into there or you never can drink. It is not legal. Women will do what they are told.

 

I agree with you for the most part. I spent a week in Iran in the beginning of the Islamic Revolution. I was travelling overland around the world from Europe. In fact, I exited Iran and entered Pakistan 3 days before the students swarmed the American embassy and took the American hostages. That wasn’t the best experience but I have met many intelligent Iranians here in my home country and also in other parts of the world where I have resided, particularly in Germany where several of my fellow university students were from Iran. I even had a “fling” with an Iranian woman who wanted to test her wings and the carnal waters of Europe.

A big mistake many people make (even here in Sweden) is thinking that Persians are Arabs. They most certainly are not. Iranians have a rich cultural history similar to that of Germany and many of them are intelligent beyond what one would expect of people from the general region.

 

So, you, too can't refute a word I've written.
Germans, Japs, Brits & Pisans have nothing to do with this thread.

I'm simply staying on topic.

You should give it a try....if you dare.

 

The only "WMDs" Saddam had were the ones he was given by the US to fight the Iranians and there were no WMD's found after the US invasion.

If Saddam had WMDs, why didn't he use them when his Regime was crumbling?

Saddam, with or without WMDs was no threat to the US which helped arm him.

Finally, what does any of this have to do with the Israelis pushing the US to fight their wars?

 

And Biden supported that plan. Oops.

 

Here's some WMDs the NYT found: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

But for the most part, the 'experts' were wrong on WMDs, just as they were wrong on the Russia collusion fairy tale.

 

No loyal American who has spent time in the Mid East & studied its realities has any doubt that Israel's numerous lobbies & fanatic "Christian Zionists" dominate US Mid East Policy.

Please try to name just ONE other country that has cost America so dearly (1)

At least Netanyahu was honest about the true nature of the US - Israeli "alliance":

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”(2)



(1) "The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion"
http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/RealCostOfIsrael.html

EXCERPT "While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars."CONTINUED


(2)http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

 

No loyal American who has spent time in the Mid East & studied its realities has any doubt that Israel's numerous lobbies & fanatic "Christian Zionists" dominate US Mid East Policy.

Please try to name just ONE other country that has cost America so dearly (1)

At least Netanyahu was honest about the true nature of the US - Israeli "alliance":

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”(2)



(1) "The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion"
http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/RealCostOfIsrael.html

EXCERPT "While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars."CONTINUED


(2)http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

 

There were none when the UN inspection team searched the country and the U.S. knew this. That is the reason why the U.S. invaded when 11 of the 12 sights had already been inspected. But .......

Nothing.

 

You missed this:

http://www.ipsnews.net/2007/08/politics-israel-warned-us-not-to-invade-iraq-after-9-11/

You were sayin'?

 

I don't doubt that there were many Israelis who opposed America's fatally flawed war on Iraq however trying to push the US into a war with Iran hardly absolves Israel of exploitative war mongering.

The Iranians are not going to attack Israel and loyal Americans are fed up with soaking distant soil/sand with American blood to enable regional Israeli hegemony.
Iran is only a threat to Zionist expansionism into Lebanon & Syria.

 

I've just watched the rest of it and it's interesting that he says pretty much the same things I said (or should I say that I said pretty much the same things he said) but what is really strange is that he used the very same expression "bringing Iran to its knees" that I used. That's scary.

Anyway, it is a good interview. I think in the beginning the interviewer didn't understand him very well by asking the same question that he already answered and towards the end of it, I think he evaded one or two of the questions ... but all in all, it's a good interview.

 

I didn't watch this entire interview but other interviews and speeches by Iranian officials are rarely given much publicity in MSM because they are so truthful & rational in pointing out the hypocrisy of US Mid East policy.

Speeches by other Iranian officials raise rarely published issues like the criminality of Israeli ethnic cleansing, US, Israeli & Saudi support of regional terror & the double standard of denying Iran a nuclear program while rewarding Israel for maintaining a rogue nuclear arsenal.

I look forward to watching the entire interview.

 

Iran’s navy couldn’t close a can of peanuts. That being said, trump’s attempted embargo on Iran’s oil is all kinds wrong.

 

What would that do to our oil exports? And it is not just a Naval engagement. Once they fire on an american ship the retaliation would not be limited to naval actions only. Every target In Iran would then be fair game. What does Iran get out of it, this would be playing right into Trump's, Pompeo and bolton's hand for a military intervention and one more regime change war in the mid east. Think of the profits for the MIC from all the bombs and planes and supplies. Wall street would be ringing church bells all over NYC

 

Yes, the U.S. is really a rouge nation. It and Israel do not abide international law at all and are very keen on pointing out what they consider (a spin usually) unlawful action by other nations. It’s a game they are playing and they know they can get away with it. George Orwell wrote it all down in “1984” but Göbbels had it planned even before that.



So much has happened since “Operation TP Ajax” in 1953 and what Cuba has been suffering is the very same trash from the U.S. As I said, so much has happened but if anyone has any doubt about the treachery Israel and the U.S. are capable of you only need to study what happened during the invasion of Irak, the prelude, and everything that has happened since. With that example alone there can be no rules left so Al Qaida & co. really do not upset me. Why should I get flustered over ISIS beheadings? The U.S. is guilty of enormous war crimes and the murder of a million innocent men, women, and children ---- yet none of them are in prison. What Al Qaida and ISIS are doing is nothing in comparison.