Iran threatens to Clost Straits of Hormuz

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  1. mdrobster

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    So theses 14 incidents were not harassing US ships, you know, where you wrote:
    "FYI, hasn't seemed to happen since Nov 8, 2016".

    In reply to mdrobster's post:
    "FYI, Iran has been harassing US ships since 1979, irrelevant of who is Pres."

    And where the US navy stated that the drone came close enough to F-18 fighter jets to put the lives of American pilots at risk,
     
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    Oh yeah, totally the same as capturing US service members, then sending them billions of dollars in cash in thanks.

    Unlike Obama who gave billions to Iran after taking our troops prisoner, the ROE under Trump will just result in a bunch of dead terrorists.

    They know it, you know it, and everyone else knows it despite your attempts to stay in your alternate reality construct.
     
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    LOL at you running away from our statement
     
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    I'm not running away from my statement.

    No ships have been attacked since Trump has been POTUS.
     
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    As much as I am loyal to the US, the true form or loyalty is to criticize US policy makers when they're doing things that are both immoral and contrary to America's best interest and best interest of the world.

    Yes, the US does have a dismal record especially when it comes to its involvement in the Mid East.

    I focus on the Mid East because I feel like that is the region in which a WW 3 is likely to develop. Unfortunately, the current Trump administration with Bolton & Pompeo is the least qualified, most immoral & most incompetent pack of pro Zionist war mongers that the US has had in many decades.

    While most of what America has done in the Mid East has been done to appease Israel's near omnipotent lobbies, the rest is primarily due to the influence of fanatic "Christian Zionists". The net result has been an unconditional support of any & every Israeli land grab, war crime, act of aggression & policy of ethnic cleansing.
    That unconditional support of Israel has included fighting Israel's wars (Iraq) and attempting to make the entire region for Zionist Regional Hegemony ( please see the Oded Yinon Plan).

    In the process of "fighting terrorism", the US has only further engendered anti American sentiment in the region.
    Of course the Muslims who live in areas occupied by the US resent American troops in their countries. I know how Americans or anyone else would react to being occupied by a foreign military and the Muslims are no different
    Additionally, a person is no less dead when beheaded by sword than by being dismembered via drone.

    I'm afraid that things in the Mid East will only get worse under the Trump administration (Bolton, Pompeo etc) with Netanyahu pulling Trump's strings(1) in trying to drive the US to war with Iran.
    Even if the US gets another president in the 2020 election, most of the damage that Trump has done in & around Israel cannot be undone by a new president.
    Briefly put, I'm not very optimistic about the prospects for a peaceful resolution of Mid East conflicts in the near future.



    "How Netanyahu Pulls Trump’s Strings"
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/15/how-netanyahu-pulls-trumps-strings/

    EXCERPTS "Since Sept. 18, when the two men met in New York around the United Nations General Assembly, Netanyahu has been pulling Trump’s strings on almost every foreign policy issue.

    Trump further showed that he is following Netanyahu’s marching orders with the extremist speech about Iran on Friday, essentially repeating all the Israeli propaganda lines against Iran and burning whatever bridges remained toward a meaningful diplomatic approach.

    Although dressing up his capitulation to Netanyahu in tough-guy phrasing, Trump is doing what most U.S. politicians do – they grovel before Bibi Netanyahu."CONTINUED
     
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    Shout it from the rooftops, brother!

    Everyone from every nation should do the same. In fact, I would say that Democracy itself can be measured by the ease/availability to do that without being prosecuted.
     
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    LOL at you still running away from your statement:
    "FYI, hasn't seemed to happen since Nov 8, 2016".

    In reply to mdrobster's post:
    "FYI, Iran has been harassing US ships since 1979, irrelevant of who is Pres."

    even though 14 incidents were reported by the US Navy in 2017. Your dishonesty (twice) in your use of the word "attacked" instead of "harassing" noted
     
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    How many ships have been attacked since he's been POTUS again?

    Zero.

    You know why?

    Trump will let our ships blow them out of the water, unlike his limp-wristed predecessor.
     
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    I wouldn't count on it. They didn't stop the Saudis from nationalizing their oil fields.
     
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    we'll see, that was then this is now.
     
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    false!!!!!

    Israel has received about $134 billion from the USA.

    not sure where you could have possibly found "trillions" of dollars to Israel.

    perhaps you can back up your "claim" that Israel has received "trillions of dollars" in aid.
     
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    Gladly! The figure of $3 Trillion is just as of 2002. (1)

    Who knows how much Israeli lobbies have extracted from gullible Americans since 2002.

    Meanwhile, Netanyahu has been quite clear about the true nature of the US - Israel alliance:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”(2)




    (1) "The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion"
    http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/RealCostOfIsrael.html

    EXCERPT "While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars."CONTINUED


    (2) http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html
     
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    Haha!!!

    There is no evidence that Israel has received a trillion dollars in aid from the USA.
     
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    Yeah the old Trump supporters.. will just nuke everybody. I'm not so joyful about going into a war with Iran

    John Bolton concerns me.. Trump said he reigned him in.. Bolton and Trump are on two different pages
     
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    *sigh*

    1) not a trump supporter. It is a fact that the US navy is the most powerful fighting force on the planet. It is additionally a fact that the Iranian navy is laughably anemic and relies on wave tactics with small missile boats. We've got grade a missile defense, superior air power, and longer range missiles etc. They are not a significant threat to the US navy and would be CRUSHED in any naval battle with current forces in play.
    2) No nukes necessary to crush their missile boats actually. Just a whole lot of conventional ordnance.
     
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    is it just coincidence that admiral Scott stearney committed an 18 million person crisis in Yemen and that he committed suicide?

    you may be able to live with the contents of killing millions of people on your mind but I have a hard time with it
     
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    All that would be needed is a Ma Deuce.
     
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    What on earth are you talking about?

    Did you respond to the wrong poster or something? Or are you just a bot?
     
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    You don't fight missiles with just a machinegun. That's not smart.
     

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