Iran warns N.Korea not to trust Trump

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    Its Obama's fault that his deal with Iran got cancelled by Trump. Obama didn't follow US law to make a treaty so his agreement with Iran was only between one person, Obama and the mullahs in Iran. It was never a law in the US. Trump was never bound by it.
     
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    Since when Iran care of kufar ?
     
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    so in other words, the next president could get rid of current NK deal, since trump didn't follow the congress law either, gee I wonder what NK gonna think.
     
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    Iran, like the democrats, want to torpedo Trump. Bedfellows.
     
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    What deal? All I've seen is a joint statement of intentions.
     
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    Nothing surprising in this. Could they be expected to endorse such agreements?
    It is unfortunate that the U.S. has not found a way to turn things around in relations with Iran. We have much more in common with the people there than with many other nations to whom we are friendly.
    Certainly, we do not like the government, but that doesn't stop progress in other cases. If a Stalinist dictator can be dealt with, why not a theocratic régime? The Iranian people are not really our enemies.
    If America's previous President did not make a correct deal, it remains that U.S. allies and Iran thought the deal was OK. We can't blame them for that. It doesn't do much good, at this point, to blame that President, either.
    The fact is that the current distrust doesn't come from a vacuum. To be fair to the Iranian point of view, there was also the coup carried out in 1953. Then there was the instigation and support of Saddam in his attack on Iran. It is not anti-American nor pro-Iranian to point out these geopolitical realities.
    On the contrary, it is in America's interest to improve the situation. Securing the maximum area on Putin's flanks is advantageous strategically to Europe and, thus, to the U.S. We gain nothing by having Iran an enemy. It is arguably more important than Korea. This is not necessarily a 'left-right', one side or the other issue. It can be discussed objectively.
     
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    The treaty we signed with Iran was a multi country agreement with six other nations signing on,it was not a one of by Obama.
     
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    Sometimes even the mullahs in Iran tell the truth ...
    Let's see when Trump via Twitter again writes diplomatic BS and re-thinks the whole thing with Kim and changed changed his mind again ... because Kim laughed or farted again wrong.
     
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    It wasn't a treaty by the United States just a personal agreement by Obama with whoever represents Iran. The United States was not a party to this deal.
     
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    Under international law, a "treaty" is any legally binding agreement between nations. In the United States, the word treaty is reserved for an agreement that is made "by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate" (Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution).

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/main/govdocsguide/TreatyDefinition.html

    Obama never did this you know, so it wasn't legally binding.

    Do you know why he didn't do it?

    Because he knew the senate wouldn't allow it so Obama circumvented the US constitution to do something he wanted on his own.

    Doesn't matter who else ever signed onto it because that has no relevance for the US.

    Its also why Trump ended it.
     
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    Only one of those countries was ever going to do anything about Iranian nuclearization.
     
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    Great Article
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    While this is true, outsiders won't see it this way. They see it as America made a deal and then America reneged on it.
     
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    The common moron on the street perhaps but the leadership in these countries know how it works here and if they don't the American ambassador will fill them in when they display their ignorance. That's his job. Of course leaders often mislead the street morons for reasons of domestic politics, hate the Yankees, the Great Satan and that sort of thing and that is of no concern to us.
     
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    Breaking your word is not good in any situation, much less when you are talking foreign policy. It sets a horrible precedent.
     
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    It was Obama's word not the word of anyone else. You get that right?
     
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    It was our country's word.
     
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    I know that Obama is bigger than life for you but all the Iranians got out of him was his personal promise. It had nothing to do with the United States. If he had wanted to involve the United States in his affair with the enemy he could have submitted the text to the Senate for ratification. He didn't do that so his promise never had the force of law behind it. It most certainly wasn't the country's word, it was Obama's word and it was worthless.
     
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    The deal was working.
     
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    It was certainly working for Iran, guaranteeing them a smooth path to a nuclear weapon and no outside interference. However it was only a deal between Obama and the enemy. It had nothing to do with the people of the United States who were not parties to Obama's private agreement.
     
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    Iran was allowing inspectors in and was reducing their nuclear material and shutting down centrifuges. It was working bro.
     
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    Since they were not allowing inspections of all their facilities it not possible to say it was "working". They were still hiding nuclear related activity. At any rate if it worked perfectly it simply allows Iran a safe highway to a nuclear weapon without outside interference. I think that was the point of the deal for Obama and Iran...to ensure that the Iranian bomb plan was not interfered with.
     
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