Iranian Father Beheads 14 year-old Daughter For Running Away With Boyfriend

Persians are Not the problem ... Stop diverting the issue.
The Islamic Jihadi fanatic Ayatullas whom lead your country are the cause for most of the Violence in the M.E.
Directly and None directly.

 

Abraham was going to kill his only son so this seems to a recurring problem with relious people be they Muslims, Evengenitals, Russian Orthodox, Druids, Satanists, whatever ..........

 

Classic Iran. No one here is surprised that a man in Iran would commit an honor killing in the name of his "religion".

 

True.
Another thing that doesn't suprise us is that the pro Islamos here do not condemn that shocking evil murder.

 

Here in America, the 35 YO would have been beheaded. We would not have blamed the 14 yo girl.

 

1- The only one in Iran that I am aware of blaming the 14 year old girl, was her own father. And that father will be tried and punished severely for his crime.
2- I have my views on America and its culture and what not. Unlike your views, mine are actually informed by living in the US for a very long time, going to junior high, high school, college, law school and gaining even more insights practicing law there for over a decade. While I will mention that the kind of monsters that are produced in America are often very unique, and have very few if any counterparts anywhere else (people like Jeffrey Dahmer and a host of other such people), ultimately I am not here to sit in judgment about America. I am much less into proselytizing than keeping those who are, at bay.
3- In Iran, across the political spectrum, across Iranian media regardless of political orientation, and the society more generally, the blame and outrage is directed first at the father who committed this heinous act. For that reason, the father, who has been arrested, will be tried by a special court due to its heinous and totally unacceptable nature of the crime and the public reaction to it. A special court which will be empowered to impose even capital punishment in this particular case, even though, ordinarily, the statute dealing specifically with a father killing any of his children contemplates more lax punishment, up to 10 years imprisonment. Second, in Iran, across the political spectrum, across Iranian media regardless of political orientation, and the society more generally, part of the blame and outrage is also directed at the 35 year old 'boyfriend', who is similarly arrested and will be facing serious charges. In Iran, across the political spectrum, across Iranian media regardless of political orientation, and the society more generally, no one has blamed the girl. Indeed, the shock from this case in Iran was because of the outpouring of sympathy that was felt for her.

 

Islamic "honor killings" are not uncommon. And you have zero idea of who I am and what my life experiences are, just as I have no way of confirming yours.

 

"Islamic honor killings" are not uncommon outside of the Persian, Shia, world of Islam. In the Persian, Shia, world of Islam, they are extremely rare. If you had bothered reading the studies referred to even in this page (written even by groups trying to criticize Iran and engaging in a good bit of propaganda against it regardless), you would know that already.

The "Islam" you have in mind as representing "Islam" is the one Iran has been fighting against for much of its history. Unfortunately, despite the rightful condemnation of that particular type of Islam, it is actually the one the US and company have used against Iran by their explicit and implicit support of those who represent it. Of governments like Saudi Arabia that have funded it, of terrorist groups like Jundallah practicing it from the borders of Iran with Pakistan among Iran's Balunch Sunni minority; of groups like ISIS and company practicing it among other ethnic minorities in the western periphery of Iran; and, more generally, in supporting these groups against Iran across the region in places like Syria, Yemen, Lebanon and more.

 

OK, after some brief research, you are correct. I intend to read more at this link. https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/989236/download

 

Interesting that the father laid the blame on the girl, and not so much on the man who presumably "can't help himself".

In that culture, girls are the ones who are primarily responsible for loss of the family honor.

 

You repeat what is ultimately not true. That "culture" has severely condemned the father. But the same way, Jeffrey Dahmer was not a representative of American culture, but merely a byproduct (a byproduct that is actually more commonly found in America than the father at issue in this case in Iran), that father is not remotely a representative of "that culture" you speak about.

I don't think you guys are as interesting in knowing the truth, as repeating what excites your prejudices and confirms your preconceived notions. Otherwise, the facts are pretty clear. The outrage sparked in Iran, and picked up by foreign media, was against the father, not the 14 year old girl who the public in Iran were horrified to find being killed by her own father.

 

The Only truth is honor killings ( of women and girls ) are commited in the Islamic world.
Most in Arab countries, some in Iran.

 

No, even that is not true.

If you have any interest in the subject, maybe you should read about it. If you do, you will find that the practice is ultimately prevalent in more traditional societies, but it is found across different regions, religions and more. In fact, the history of honor killings goes to the Romans and its influence was felt across the Mediterranean region until more recent times. No such concepts existed in the Iranian world, but you had similar concepts in certain other regions, including those which are still traditional in both India and Pakistan and elsewhere. But you do have that practice also among certain Arab communities, particularly those who are less influenced by Persian Shia culture.

Anyway, if you are interested in the subject, start here perhaps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

But if you want to engage in your typical rants, I can't stop you. Go ahead.

 

In the meantime, I came across this instruction on how women should behave, by a Persian Shia theologian in the 17th century

https://ajammc.com/2018/12/11/women-of-persia/

 

Be careful ... because as evil as this is what happened, it smells a little bit of Iran bashing as evil, because declared enemy of USA and here particularly by right wingers who can not forgive the hostage taking and attack of US Embassy 30 years ago etc. ...
Fact ist that such and other evil things happen also in Muslim countries called to be good friends of USA like Saudi Arabia and others.
It has been ridiculous in the past and still is ridiculous if the United States became upset when draconian Sharia punishments were used, which are rated to be bestial for us in the West.
Only if a week later exactly the same thing happened in Saudi Arabia, such as public stoning, flogging or chopping off hand, etc. ... then, quite hypocritically, nobody in the United States was interested, because the Saudis are good friends.

 

Even as you speak to the hypocrisy of how Iran is treated in the West, you perpetuate false narrative, fabricated stories and outrageously misleading reports. Particularly upsetting to me is mentioning "stoning" and Iran in the same sentence! I know there have been quite a few efforts and 'reports' to suggest such a thing and link it to Iran, but the reports have all been either fabricated by the usual suspects. Or, alternatively, the very few cases of such things actually happening, all were by local courts in non-Persian areas of the country, among groups which the US has been supporting against Iran. But the lies about Iran persists, mainly because it is true that: a) Iran is not a western country and does not promote western culture; b) Iran does have some restrictions on attire (hijab) that it enforces haphazardly, requiring women to cover their hair with a scarf and such; and c) Iran did adopt "Sharia" Islamic punishment as part of its penal code after the revolution, where there are plenty of provisions which exist in parts of the law (even if negated explicitly by other parts and provisions also enacted into Iranian law) which can be used to paint a false picture about how things are actually handled in Iran.

But if it makes people feel better repeating such nonsense and falsehoods, who am I to prevent it? In the meantime, it still remains the case that more Iranian female students have won medals (including gold) in academic Olympiads than students (female and male together) in a host of western European countries (Spain, Italy, etc). And it still remains true that the only women to have ever won the Fields Award in mathematics (equivalent to the Nobel Prize in Math) is an Iranian women, raised and educated in Iran. It remains true that the majority of Iranian university students are women, in higher proportions than most western European countries, including those attending traditionally male dominated fields such as engineering, medicine, dentistry, and law. And it also remains true that, within the family in Iran, it is the wife that holds the stick and not the husband, because of an institution that is pretty unique to Iran: the practice of having grooms sign something akin to a promissory note ten times their typical wealth, payable on demand, handed over to the prospective wife to enforce whenever she chooses, during marriage or afterwards. Thousands of Iranian men were languishing in jail because of this as they couldn't pay the mehriyeh, until new rules recently allowing them pay the sum up to their abilities in installment, hoping to stop incarceration of so many men.

 

We are talking about the present .. Not about the Romans.
In India and Pakistan Muslims practice honor evil killings.
Why can't you see the facts that honor killings ( of women and girls ) are commited in the Islamic world.
Most in Arab countries, some in Iran.

 

I gave you the link to read about the facts, instead of saying whatever you wish that fits your prejudices. Or the prejudices you like to transmit to others.

And, no, honor killings don't happen just among Muslims in India. In fact, most of the cases in India aren't among Muslims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

 

Okay, why wasn't the father's main priority to go after the boyfriend? Why did he kill his daughter first?
(The fact that he never got around to killing the boyfriend also speaks volumes)

One would think that if he thought it more important to kill to older man who had had his way with his daughter, he would have killed him first, and then possibly killed her after.

I'm not claiming Iranian society at large does not condemn this. I'm just saying there is an element within all Middle Eastern society, including Iranian society, that could see things this way.

In traditional old American society things like this sometimes happened, but it was almost always the man who was the primary target of the enraged father's ire. Very hard to find any instances of a father killing his daughter, in these situations.

 

My understanding is that the father didn't know the identity of the boyfriend. Instead, he just knew about him because the girl had wanted to marry him. I think she was in contact with the guy through social media before eloping with him. In any case, I am no position to explain the behavior of this 'father'. If he had directed his action against the "boyfriend", I certainly would have more sympathy for him. And so would the rest of Iranian society.

As for the rest, and the 'element' you imagine exists in Iranian society, as I have said now enough times, that element doesn't exist nearly as much in Iranian society as in your imagination of it. But in the process, what I resent the most is lumping Iran with the rest of the "Middle East", particularly places which are Iran's actual enemies in the region. If Iran wanted to be like the rest, it would have (a) like the rest, become "Arab" and not remain "Persian" even after the Arabs had conquered the country in the 7th century and ruled over it for a couple of hundreds years -- when being "Arab" had its privileges, causing many others in the region who are now called "Arabs" but who were not before the Arab conquests, take up that identity; and (b) would not have chosen to be Shia and would have instead chosen to be like the rest of the "Middle East".

 

Okay, fair point.

But you have to admit it's easy for outsiders in America and Europe to lump you in with the rest of the Middle East because Iran is, after all, an Islamic-style theocracy.

I mean, your society may be better than much of the rest of the Middle East in many ways, but your society is still under an Islamic theocracy.

Under those circumstances, you can admit that it could be hard for outsiders to see the difference.

 

Outsiders who don't know Iran, wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but those who do know the country and its history and traditions, can easily tell the difference. In fact, it doesn't take much: a simple visit to Iran and foreigners are left shocked by the differences between what they imagined Iran would be like and the reality they see.

But don't get me wrong: Iran is no more like the 'rest of the Middle East" than it is like the West. In fact, the same way Iranians rejected Arabism in the past when that was in vogue, Iranians also reject westernization when that was the main threat to their separate identity more recently.

Iran has its own culture, religion (Shia Islam, Jaffari school -- a school that relies on reasoning or ijtihad by properly trained jurists to discern's God's will), history (which includes a good chunk that predates Islam to which Iranians are quite attached to nonetheless, as captured by their national epic, the Shahnameh) and political system (a complicated system that mixes elements of a theocracy with elements of representative democracy). To understand it, would require a lot more familiarity than simple stereotypes, especially many of those stereotypes are formed by the practices of Iran's main enemies.

 

Yes, a Christian with a Bible trying to preach the gospel to muslims, or a gay couple on their honeymoon would be shocked at what they would see there. (sarcasm)

Or an American woman who meets a charming Iranian man on vacation, they decide to start a family, then the marriage does not go so well, and she tries to get shared legal custody of her children and finds out what the court system there is like.

 

There are plenty of threads about the US where we are free to criticize our government. It is you deflecting.

Back on topic, I can see why she ran away.

 

Well, certainly better than the situation in Saudi Arabia...

Saudi Arabia runs squalid, abusive jails for women disowned by their male guardians