Ireland is back at the bottom of the EU pile now that Brexit is over.

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  1. kazenatsu

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    Viable alternatives have been proposed before, such as putting Northern Ireland in a special trade zone apart from the UK, so that a tariff border does not have to go up between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland could still politically be a part of the UK, but just be under separate regulations to conform with the EU and be in a separate free trade zone.
     
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    That's basically what has been done, with the inevitable result that the "commercial" border is now between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

    Another possibility being that Ireland and Northern Ireland be soon re-united

    In his eagerness to reduce UKIP, Cameron didn't think twice about the potential consequences of a Brexit:

    1. The Ireland/Northern Ireland border problem;
    2. The Scotland autonomy referendum coming back fast as the Scottish want to remain/get back to the EU;
    3. The Gibraltar question; Brexit offering Spain the opportunity to claim that territory which is artificially part of the UK.

    And possibly many more...With the ultimate result that UK might be reduced to England (and Wales) in the not too distant future. That wouldn't be so bad, imho, but I'm not sure that's what the majority of Brits wanted when they voted for Brexit.
     
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  3. The Rhetoric of Life

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    And yours is a sea of words I'm not going to drown in.
     
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    If France don't wish to use English, then people who have to work with France suffer.
    If France want to have a war on the use of English in the EU, then Ireland better start fighting for English if they want to be able to talk with the EU, or they can leave the EU.
     
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    I must point out, everything ROI and EU, is of course, their problem and Brexit has shown us, that our problems aren't the same and there is no solidarity sometimes.
    What Ireland and EU do, doesn't concern me unless they start messing with the UK or US or China; then they need to be put in their place.

    The EU does a deal with China to over take the US; then the EU must be stopped because it has ambition to over take the US and it wants to feed the PRC regime in China.
    But spats between Ireland and France in the EU; I have kittens missing in the neighbourhood more vital to the world than that,
     
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    If Ireland doesn't like being in the EU now UK's out and the French are being difficult even to talk to, then they know what to do; Trigger Article 50...
    If they don't, who cares? They're Ireland.
    Any benefit to operating in Ireland the EU will close to punish American tech, so, who cares what Ireland do unless you're in Ireland?
    Ireland is hardly influential in the EU.
    During the Brexit talks with UK, Ireland were a tool used by the EU but now Brexit is over Ireland's gone back to not mattering in the EU; and have no one to blame but themselves (for not leaving the EU if they don't like that).
     
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    Show me where, anywhere, Ireland is forced to remain in the EU.

    They can quit any time they want, they choose to be in the EU and the EU don't listen to them, that's on Ireland, not the EU.
     
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    The french generally are not very gifted for foreign languages but they have nothing against English; in fact, many of them pride themselves at being able to communicate in that language, albeit with a deep french accent.

    I think you should relax more since many of your posts seem to indicate you might be prone to paranoia.
     
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    ...I think its funny that the frogs always seem to have a hissy fit about their language being left out of officialdom....bless em.... its always an add on...even the Eurovision Song Contest, all in English and for those pig ignorant arrogant french twazzocks the little translation bit at the arse end...

    You hunkuture'ed forin id'yots khan steek yor hinglsh hup yor tunnel sous la Manche
     
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    So, you noticed that UK is importing less from Ireland than Germany or even Belgium.

    Don't be too impressed by Rhetoric of Life. He has no clue of how trade works. Think about it for a second; do you buy anything just because some producer is making it available or because you want it, it has the quality you're looking for and the price is attractive?
    RoL's theory is that since Canadian farmers produce beef, the EU consumer must buy it. Utter nonsense!
     
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    No, I said the EU are so xenophobic they don't want to buy non EU even if it's done at greater cost to be EU standard.
    I never said they had to buy it, that would be dumb.
    That's what's wrong with the EU, they're inward looking and a protectionist racket who want to sell to the world but not buy; not as policy, but as mindset - terrible, terrible people.

    You talk of the steps of being a consumer which go;

    [​IMG]

    You have to first see that you want something, and this means concluding that
    "I need to buy something."

    Then you work out what exactly is it you need
    "What do I need exactly?"

    Then you evaluate your options
    "What is the best? Best product. Best price. etc"

    Then you decide
    "I am going to purchase it."

    Then you purchase it.

    Then you either have buyer's remorse or glee.

    It's very textbook.
     
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    "Xenophobic" EU imported for 143 billion euros in February 2021!
    UK imports for full year 2019 was a total of 692 billion dollars.
    Of course, EU trade surplus was 211 in February 2021, compared to a total of 224 billion dollars for the full year 2019!
    I trust that, despite your confusion, you're able to do the conversion euros/dollars.
     

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