Ironworkers to sue developers under RICO

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  1. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "The Local 46 Rico suit against these developers alleges that these developers knowingly violated collective bargaining agreements to illegally perform millions of dollars of construction work under the guise of a phony non-union alter ego firm called Leviathan Construction Management."

    Let me make sure I understand this. The evil company is accused of trying to avoid paying the extortionists by setting up a shell company to hire non-union workers.

    Bastards. That's the epitome of evil, isn't it? It's right up there with extortion, murder, assault, sabotage, vandalism. I wonder what would have happened if, instead of trying to weasel on the contract if they did, they had simply announced they were going to use non-union labor. Of course, we all knnow what would have happened, don't we?

    How do you deal "fairly" with extortionists? Especially when the law says they're allowed to commit crimes to further union goals.
     
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    EXACTLY.

    The days of union thugs going around beating up business owners and tearing up their property in order to extort wages and benefits far above the market value are rapidly coming to a close.

    I support anyone who is being extorted by Union labor into paying inflated wages and benefits to set up shell corporations and screw the unions.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Patrick, allow me to remind you that when you sign an agreement to use unionized labor its binding; if they didn't want to use unionized labor, then they should have stipulated that in the labor agreement. The company is not above the law contrary to what many in here may opine.
     
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    We're saying that many companies are threatened with outright extortion, vandalism, violence and other terrorism that forces them to sign these labor agreements in the first place, leaving them no choice but to circumvent laws that unfairly punish the employer. Civil Disobedience goes both ways.
     
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    Why is such an agreement binding? Because forced associations that benefit unions are protected by the police powers of the state. That was PatrickT's point, I believe, so what do you think he was missing?
     
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    Even if the agreement is signed under duress, threats, and violence. The only place that is legal is with unions. Recently, a business owners wife was threatened with rape if he didn't sign the contract. Legal? You bet. It's a union.

    People are catching on, Gameswell. Organized crime is not where we want to go.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not completely true; if you were physically threatened or threatened with extortion, vandalism or other legally recognized forms of terrorism, what would be your first reaction?? You'd call the police or get in touch with the State or Federal Attorney General's office and have the offenders prosecuted.

    No one can legally force you to sign any contract against your will so i can't buy into your position.
     
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    I give up. You obviously didn't read the court decision that says unions are exempt from federal prosecution for those crimes. True believers will maintain their faith regardless. I'm through. Post you propoganda unimpeded.

    ""According to court papers and to coverage by the Buffalo News, the charges against them include stabbing a knife into the neck of a construction company president, throwing hot coffee at non-union workers, pouring sand into gas tanks and transmissions of 17 construction vehicles, and threatening sexual assault against the wife of a company representative. The racketeering case was first filed in 2008."

    "According to court papers, the executive who was stabbed in the neck asked a union organizer what benefit he would get if he hired members of the union. "You guys slash my tires, stab me in the neck, try to beat me up," he protested. "What are the positives?"

    "The positives," reportedly replied the organizer, "are that the negatives you are complaining about would go away."

    "The Supreme Court determined in 1973 that union violence up to a point is permissible. Under certain circumstances, violent acts by union members cannot be prosecuted under federal law as extortion or racketeering."
    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/nasty...ry?id=14572790
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would be nice if your link worked.
     

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