Irrefutable proof of Evolution.

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    If you are talking about evolution as not being commonly considered as a fact, then you are right. It is not. But to me and many scientists it is a fact.

    If you didn't mean that, then I guess we have nothing further to discuss.
     
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    Evolution is working today? I don't see it. You don't either else you would be 'confident' where it is.

    I see. Evolultion is so complex that it can't be seen. It can only be identified by 'scientists'. And, it can't be reproduced. If it can, show a monkey man result.

    My evidence is that I don't see any monkey men running around which evolution claims there should be. I don't see scientists able to produce any monkey men in the laboratory. I hear a lot about assumptions, and maybe, and theories etc. etc.

    Just as with your life from nothing or life from non material substance, its faith on your part. Your seek evidence for the faith in evolution. Which is fine, you can have your faith.

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    Its evidence you do not have access to. Why do you want to know. This thread is about evolution?

    I have already indicated before that the Christians life is based on 'faith'. Not faith in that it doesn't exist, but that it does exist and the Christian has the Spirit of God in him to know. God has established it that way.

    Because unbelieving 'scientists' reject the Bible, then they must have an answer for the creation and man etc. That answer is evolution. Man was not created but evolved. But, evolution is another faith based system. You indicate later its 'fact for you'. But its not fact. Its assumption and theory, and faith.

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    No dude, you made that statement, I asked a question about it.
     
  5. rstones199

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    You know what is funny, no one has come up with a legitimate argument against evolution yet, or an alternative yet. And no, 'god' did it, its not a legitimate argument. Rather, its a lazy argument for the ignorant
     
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    No I don’t, because there is NO EVIDENCE OF 'god' TO BEGIN WITH!

    So why don’t we start by you presenting some empirical verifiable evidence of this 'god', and then we can proceed.
     
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    I agree. I'm just presenting this piece as irrefutable proof of Evolution.
     
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    Evolution never claimed, not would it, that man evolved from 'monkeys'.

    Our common ancestors with the monkey lived almost 25 million years ago. Since then the whole great ape family has branched off. This would include orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans.

    So no, a 'monkey man' would be impossible,. Remember, once a specie splits into two, you cannot have their paths on the evolutionary tree cross paths again.

    You really should educate yourself instead of being ignorant on Evolution.
     
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    "We" would include you, the speaker. So what specific piece(s) of evidence have you personally contributed to that collection? Any at all?
     
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    A monkey man is impossible but our ancestors are monkeys?

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    OK, you opinion is duly noted and will be filed in the circular file.

    Why should physics be mentioned? Because of this 'god' is omniscient, then this myth would know what humans would accomplish. Why would he 'inspire man :)rolleyes:) to write his words done, when in a mere 2,000 years, his words no longer can stand up to his own laws of physics (you DID say this 'god' created physics yes?)


    OK, you opinion is duly noted and will be filed in the circular file.

    Also, yes we can know the 'mind of god'. Since 'god' resides in your imagination, you can put whatever
    attributes on to this 'god' that you wish.

    Put that still doesn't answer why 'god' can create this big vast Universe, but cannot get early man to
    understand physics and Evolution.

    OK, you opinion is duly noted and will be filed in the circular file.

    We did. Whether or not you like that or not is completely irrelevant. The fact remain that humans and Chimpanzees both evolved from an ape like created that existed about 6-8 million years ago.

    I’ve learned to speak 'christianesse' while on this board, so let me translate this: “Please do not criticize by belief system that is built on lies and nonsense. I know it cannot stand up to logic and evidence, so I must lash out and call you a troll and say you are insulting me, because that is the only defense that I have.”
     
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    I suppose that 'evolution' would not make such a claim as you describe above; BUT people such as yourself will make such a claim, as you demonstrated in making the statement emphasized in red.

    Has time ended? Has 'evolution' stopped dead in its tracks? If the answer to either of those questions is "no", then you speak in ignorance, because time has not ended and subsequently you have no idea of what might happen in the distant future (given the opportunity that evolution could be a valid claim).
     
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    Monkeys is a specie that is alive today. Monkeys and humans have a common ancestor that lived 25 million years ago. It was never a monkey not a human, as both humans and monkey are species that are alive today.

    Frequently Asked Questions About Evolution

    So yes a 'monkey man' is impossible since humans and monkeys split off from one another long ago.
     
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    Evolution doesn't stop. When a man and a women have a baby, that baby is never a perfect match, genetically speaking. There are mutation that occur.

    Whether or not those mutations stick is another matter, that is where natural selection comes into play.

    Now, you can't 'see' evolution because it happens over very long periods of time. But what we can see is the genetic links between members and of the Great Ape Family and the other primates and use these to go back in time and see when we had a common ancestor. And guess what, we find bones and fossils of creatures that evolution will predict that should be there.
     
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    Oh by all means, please present this testable variable evidence for this 'god'
     
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    Based upon your quotation:
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    Frequently Asked Questions About Evolution

    Quote:

    Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
    5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids. ";

    then there still remains the "missing link". What was that 'common ancestor'? Answer the question with valid scientific PROOF, else admit that evolution is still nothing more than a theory.
     
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    Sounds to me like evolution has given up on their belief of a monkey man since they cant find or produce one. I understand. All those efforts with Pilt down man, Neanderthal man, etc. etc. Attempts to support a faith that came up short.

    And Im sure that when these so called speices of the same ancestor broke off, it must have been millions of years ago. That way no one can deny or prove otherwise.

    Still, no proof of any monkey man or monkey ancestor. You have strong faith though.

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    Sorry. Its out of your league. You can't reach it. You don't have the equipment. Better stick to your materialistic endeavours.

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    Where do dinosaurs fit in?
     
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    I would say, between Gen.1:1 and 1:2.

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    ^^^ pure trolling. This has been explain to this poster on more than post that Evoluton does not predict that 'monkey-man' would exist. The only reason to insist there is, is to be a flaim-baiting troll a this point.

    A.K.A. there is none. Good to know.
     
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    Yes, yes, must be a troll. What happened to the missing link? Pilt down man. Neanderthal man? etc. etc. Lucy?

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    We can trace back our genetics with the chimpanzee to find our common ancestor. Why do you insists on being so ignorant?
     
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    I don't believe you. You assume. You theorize. You don't know. Again, what happened to the missing link. Was that just a smoke screen? All those Nebraska man, and Cro-magnum man. Where did they go? Where did the need for them go?

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    I assume nothing. We can trace back genetic mutations to find common ancestors.

    This is how we know there was a Y-Chromosome Adam.. By tracing back mutations via lineages.
     
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