Is a Zygote - "A Human" 2 /Mod Warning

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  1. ToughTalk

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    Nobody forced anyone to get pregnant.

    And please don't come back with rape because it's a less than 1 percent outlier.
     
  2. ToughTalk

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    We consider the 20 year old to be more.independant and educated. But not more "human".

    Does the crime of killing a 2 year old not come with as severe a punishment as killing the 20 year old? Maybe the 2 year old was inconvenient for the mother? Why should the mother be forced to care for the 2 year old? That sounds immoral.
     
  3. FoxHastings

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    :) You know an Anti-Choicer will come back and misdirect with "no one is forcing her to get pregnant" to avoid the issue....oh, wait! They just did ;) ;)
     
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    YOU are FORCING women to REMAIN pregnant AGAINST their will which is IMMORAL!
     
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    Your abject FAILURE to address the pertinent QUESTION says VOLUMES!

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Yup!

    Predictable as clocks!

    LOL!
     
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  7. doombug

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    And some humans have used "giving a different name" as an excuse for genocide. That is pretty much what this is. That is why a name like zygote must be used.
     
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    A zygote, also known as a fertilized ovum or fertilized egg. If it is being used inaccurately they need to be called out, but then again "genocide" is the deliberate killing of a large number of people. Is a fertilized egg a person?
     
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  10. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Same species as a skin cell ... your point ?
     
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    So, to be consistent with your "tough guy" approach I would assume you are going to jail all those involved in IVF.

    Or, maybe you just want to put a bounty on their heads to encourage more vigilantism?
     
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  12. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Claim" Folks who use the term "Zygote" aka "The Mighty Zygote" do so as an excuse for Genocide,

    Dificult to even respond to such an absurd accusation .. calling every biology student - from Grade School to College excusers of genocide for using the standard scientific term "zygote" for the single human cell at conception.

    but - if you are offended by the term - we should try to accomodate .. What term would you like folks to use for the single cell at conception - so that you will not call them excusers of Genocide ?
     
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    So, now we have to try to discuss biology, but we have to spell the words differently.

    We have to ask them how they would like to spell "zygote"!!

    So, you're probably right, but I wonder how much of the REST of the concrete terms of biology they want to change.
     
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    They want to spell zygote, embryo, and fetus all one way ..."baby"......they aren't big science fans...
     
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    Yeah .. but you realize all this all just an avoidance tactic - in an attempt to maintain continual repetitive assumed premise fallacy .. as long as you are wrestling with the term "zygote" in a semantic rabbit hole of never ending depth - the premise "defending the humanity of the zygote or alternative" never has to be defended .... hence why I asked the genocide accuser to give preferred term - so that he to get to the defending claim part .. but .. will never give such term - stating all kinds of meaningless questions in a dance of avoidance ... and so round and round in a mind bending circle of denial you go .. and where it stops ... Only Twisted Sister knows !

     
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    Not able to refute?
     
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    Refute that all users of the word zygotes are excusers of genocide ? It is up to you to prove this nonsense claim true .. not for others to prove it false - negation fallacy 101.

    Regardless -- you can start by telling us what your preferred term is for the single cell at conception - rather than dancing around cryiing "Prove me wrong" That Rock over there's name is Joe "Prove me wrong"

    You need to up your game mate :)
     
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    The terms of biology have been developed over the ages. They have very specific definitions.

    A zygote is the fusion of two haploid cells, gametes, the ovum before it begins division.

    That's not just true for humans - it applies to both plants and animals.

    I don't believe you knew that or even give a crap how that word gets spelled.
     
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    So what? There have been species of humans considered subhuman but that does not prove blacks are subhuman as claimed by racists. Scientific racism has been used in the past to justify atrocities.

    I can't believe you did not know that.
     
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    Regardless of what crap racists tried to pull off in the past, it is not difficult for scientists to examine a zygote to verify whether it is of human origin.

    So, I'm not sure what your point is here.
     
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    Patent nonsense The "So what" is that there have been species of humans considerd subhuman. Since were are not talking about a species of human here .. this is a non sequitur fallacy - "it does not follow" along with simple apple orange comparison if the first was vexing to figure out.
     
  22. Bowerbird

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    How is a zygote different to this?
    upload_2021-9-20_22-43-59.png

    It is human brain tissue grown from stem cells which somewhat surprisingly developed rudimentary “eyes”

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-this-human.592231/
     
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    No forced anyone to get pregnant, but many people want to force women to be pregnant which is a clear violation of rights and a way of introducing religion into politics.
     
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    It is not the proponents of abortion who are committing that same atrocity of denying a certain group of people their rights, but rahter is it the anti-abortionists. Women have rights no matter what your Holy Book says and these rights apply whether they are pregnant or not. Fetuses do not have rights and their life does not take precendence over the woman's.

    Your camp is committing that very same atrocity by stripping women of their humanity and rights and handing those to that which is not yet human (i.e. a fetus) and that is just evil.
     
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