Is AGW causing the drought in the southwest

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you listen to the warmer cult members in here the drought in America's southwest is all the evidence you need to prove the hypothesis. Trouble is a prolonged sudden and extreme drought is nothing new in this part of the world.


    "Using data from tree rings, researchers know that a terrible drought seized the Southwest from 1276 to 1299; it is possible that in certain areas there was virtually no rain at all during those 23 years."


    "Throughout the centuries, the Anasazi weathered comparable crises a longer and more severe drought, for example, from 1130 to 1180"


    "Exhausting the natural resources, competition for limited resources resulting in warfare, topsoil erosion, over population, climate changes resulting in extreme weather, droughts and limited water supply have grave consequences."

    http://www.mysterycasebook.com/2011/anasazisagan.html
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Uncle Ferd says dat looks like a space spidey crawlin' outta crater, possum hidin' behind the couch...
    :confusion:
    US Southwest faces threat of megadroughts with rising temps
    October 5, 2016 — A new study says the Southwest region of the United States faces the threat of megadroughts this century as temperatures rise.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    California has had a history of droughts. In ancient times, decades of drought worse than now so no.............drought in CA does not prove AGW.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Climate Change May Be Making African Drought Worse...
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    Experts Say Climate Change May Be Making African Drought Worse
    March 27, 2017 - As East Africa struggles through a drought, scientists say climate change may be making the situation worse as a warming planet may be altering the weather patterns that bring rain to the region.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But .... if a possible solution is staring us in the face.......
    that in theory could be financed and is being done in nations
    no more wealthy than us, (Israel for example), then
    it is worth while to discuss altering Federal Reserve policy to
    finance large scale desalination projects for California.......

    This is actually a win - win - win - win scenario in many ways......
    not merely for California's farmers..... and city dwellers......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rleans-and-florida-from-rising-oceans.300460/

    The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

    Is turning deserts green a good response to climate change?

    1. No, only a carbon tax of some form will stop climate change!
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      Yes, plants are both a carbon as well as a water sink!
      11 vote(s)
      39.3%

    3. No, we should never engage in geo-engineering of any form or shape, EVER!!!
      6 vote(s)
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      Yes, with one billion hungry, how can we go wrong by producing more food?
      14 vote(s)
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  6. AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS

    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    Their is no AGW..
    It's a scheme of wealth redistribution weakening the strong population for the left to become more powerful..
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 1940 Canadas' Prime Minister Mackenzie King
    was faced with the need to finance our participation in WWII
    so he initiated a brilliant central banking policy that I believe
    could be emulated by the USA during a Donald Trump administration.

    I quoted an article about it in my 2008 campaign for Municipal Councillor:

    http://www.bankingsystemsflaws.blogspot.ca


    You would be astonished how many of our political leaders do not understand the tremendous benefits of historical Canadian monetary policy.

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/appenB.htm
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But the G-d of Abraham / HaShem / YHWH seems to have a plan to turn deserts green.......
    so we shall see who wins out in the long term.........

    Isaiah 35:1


    The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

    .....
    Isa 35:7

    And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
     
  9. AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS

    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't know much about all that..
     
  10. livefree

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    Crackpot conspiracy theory insanity is just sad. On top of a denial of science and reality, it is double sad.

    In the real world.....

    The American Geophysical Union (AGU) adopted a statement on Climate Change and Greenhouse Gases in 1998.[60] A new statement, adopted by the society in 2003, revised in 2007,[61] and revised and expanded in 2013,[62] affirms that rising levels of greenhouse gases have caused and will continue to cause the global surface temperature to be warmer:

    "Human activities are changing Earth's climate. At the global level, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases have increased sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase. Human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed global average surface warming of roughly 0.8 °C (1.5 °F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate system for millennia.

    While important scientific uncertainties remain as to which particular impacts will be experienced where, no uncertainties are known that could make the impacts of climate change inconsequential. Furthermore, surprise outcomes, such as the unexpectedly rapid loss of Arctic summer sea ice, may entail even more dramatic changes than anticipated."
    *****

    In 2006, the Geological Society of America adopted a position statement on global climate change. It amended this position on April 20, 2010 with more explicit comments on need for CO2 reduction.

    "Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s. If current trends continue, the projected increase in global temperature by the end of the twenty first century will result in large impacts on humans and other species. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic sources.[68]"
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    The American Meteorological Society (AMS) statement adopted by their council in 2012 concluded:

    "There is unequivocal evidence that Earth's lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking. The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities. This scientific finding is based on a large and persuasive body of research. The observed warming will be irreversible for many years into the future, and even larger temperature increases will occur as greenhouse gases continue to accumulate in the atmosphere. Avoiding this future warming will require a large and rapid reduction in global greenhouse gas emissions. The ongoing warming will increase risks and stresses to human societies, economies, ecosystems, and wildlife through the 21st century and beyond, making it imperative that society respond to a changing climate. To inform decisions on adaptation and mitigation, it is critical that we improve our understanding of the global climate system and our ability to project future climate through continued and improved monitoring and research. This is especially true for smaller (seasonal and regional) scales and weather and climate extremes, and for important hydroclimatic variables such as precipitation and water availability.

    Technological, economic, and policy choices in the near future will determine the extent of future impacts of climate change. Science-based decisions are seldom made in a context of absolute certainty. National and international policy discussions should include consideration of the best ways to both adapt to and mitigate climate change. Mitigation will reduce the amount of future climate change and the risk of impacts that are potentially large and dangerous. At the same time, some continued climate change is inevitable, and policy responses should include adaptation to climate change. Prudence dictates extreme care in accounting for our relationship with the only planet known to be capable of sustaining human life.[73]"

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    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    ditto
     
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    livefree Banned

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    LOLOLOL......so you are actually agreeing with me that your crackpot conspiracy theory....that idiotically proposes that virtually all of the world's scientists who study some aspect of the Earth's climate are ALL part of a vast conspiracy, for reasons unnamed, to fake their data in unison (and run around melting gigatons of Arctic ice with hair-dryers, I suppose) in order to deceive you about the scientifically verified reality of human caused global warming....is absolutely insane?

    Does that mean that there is a glimmer of hope that that you might be waking up from your delusional dreams and will henceforth stop rejecting science and denying reality?
     
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    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    Hair dryers are no good, but heat guns.. mmm
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree completely with your position that we must eliminate worker holidays and paid vacation so that they will not travel and release so much CO2. I further agree that we must replace the $7.25 minimum wage with a $7.25 maximum wage for production work so that the workers will consume less. On these things we are one.
     
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    Are you drunk? Or hallucinating? Lost in alt-right denier cult fantasy-land, perhaps?
     
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    OK, keep feeding your fantasies.....reality will still kick your ass!
     
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    Oh you are one of those people who think we can make the whole world rich and reduce CO2 output....it must be nice to live in a Let Them Eat Cake world where one is oblivious to what it takes to produce things. That is what happens when you ignore how much pollution gets off-shored by these Eco-Friendly nations.
     
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    Nope! I'm one of those sane people who understand that the entire world absolutely NEEDS to "reduce CO2 output" or face devastating climate changes and mass extinctions and a ruined planet.

    I'm one of those sane people who accept scientific facts even when they are very disturbing and highly inconvenient for our current lifestyle and way of doing things.

    You seem to be one of those people who don't understand science and refuse to accept scientific conclusions or the scientific consensus if they conflict with your selfish crackpot rightwingnut economic and political ideologies. You can deny reality and rationalize your denial and echo your crackpot ignorant 'reasons' back and forth with other reality deniers all you want....but reality will always kick your ass in the long run.
     
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    Okay Ms. Antoinette, keep on believing that. Solar still has about 1/3 of the CO2 output as natural gas per KWhr but requires toxic chemicals for the production of the cells and is only optimal in places where water is scarce but requires water to cool the panels, takes a crap ton more land thereby displacing wildlife, still doesn't work at night, and will cost people a lot more money that they don't have for the electricity they get before the grid melts down and you are an environmentalist who believes science, at least as long as it looks at a single data point to the exclusion of all the others. But hey, there is always wind power that relies on rare earth minerals whose mining leaves coal mountain top removal look like no big thing in comparison to the toxic mess and environmental degradation that gets left in its wake. That environmental disaster is off-shored tho the developing world though so you can pretend to be all eco friendly while poor chinese people are drinking contaminated water. None of that "science" upon which you allegedly place your opinions addresses the economic reality that the less natural gas, coal and oil we use, the cheaper it becomes for China and India, which houses half the world's population, to use to catch up to us so that they too can enjoy the fruits of deforestation, resource depletion, and environmental degradation.

    So far as I can tell, the only environmental science you understand is that which is delivered on your one of 7 billion smartphones manufactured thus far from the Huffington Post website.
     
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    Hilarious gibberish!
     
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    You must be Kode's other account. Every criticism I posted came from scientists.
     
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    LOLOLOLOL. I guess, in your case, it still comes down to 'drunk or hallucinating'.

    You haven't posted anything but incoherent drivel, let alone any actual "criticism from scientists".

    What actually "came from scientists" is in post #10. That's reality.
     

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