Is America Headed for a New Kind of Civil War?

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So what?

 

You are not, for sure. Those few states are only part of the South, not the South, and that is all that matters.

 

You of course have every right to your mistaken opinion.

 

JakeStarkey said: ↑
You cannot define or show what are Marxist progressives in this country other than some how you think they disagree with the Alt Right's distorted and revisionist history.

You talk about a "small minority" and "elites" who are somehow helping them to a share of an America to which they are not entitled or they have not earned.

After all the ad homming above, I don't have to ask your permission to tell you that you are living in an America that exists only in your brain.

Of course you feel that way. Once again, you have no idea what is a Marxist Progressive, other than a term you use to label someone with whom you disagree.

 

Soros could be one--or he may just be using those who are.

IMO Obama is one.

There are still Marxists working to shape and twist American society to their ends, whatever they are. I didn't realize it myself until recently. I'm not claiming to know how many or where, but they are working like termites through our political institutions to destroy us--or some other group has co-opted their methods to their own ends. In a free society, people are free to do anything, and some are using that freedom to destroy the country. IMO it's important to be aware of this rot from within. The demonstrations and destructiveness are not all truly in the name of idealism; people with ideals are being manipulated to attain some other goal.

IMO it's a little discrepant of Democrats to deny the above possibility while at the same time claiming Russia is trying to take over our elective process


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JakeStarkey said: ↑
You cannot define or show what are Marxist progressives in this country other than some how you think they disagree with the Alt Right's distorted and revisionist history.

You talk about a "small minority" and "elites" who are somehow helping them to a share of an America to which they are not entitled or they have not earned.

After all the ad homming above, I don't have to ask your permission to tell you that you are living in an America that exists only in your brain.

You use terms the which you do not understand. Are you a John Birch member?

 

IMO you do not understand the meanings I attribute to them. Just watch what is happening and ask why. Why do race relations have to worsen when over half of America voted for a minority candidate for President eight years ago? It makes no sense. Some catalytic agent is working to produce this result. I call them progressive Marxists. If you have a better term let's hear it...and, mo, I am not a Bircher.

 

Your meanings that you give "Progressives" and "Marxists" I understand fully.

The actual definitions do not fit your personal definitions, thus your definitions are only partisan propaganda and have no connection to reality.

 

Your political ideology is Bircher, for the most part.

 

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Definitions change over time, and so do political structures. Really look at what is going on. It is notaiming to improve things--not by those behind the scenes engineering it.

 

I know very little about Birch--only that many reviled him. Maybe he was before his time. Found this:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-alive-and-well-in-the-lone-star-state-215377

 

But you are unable to show how they have changed to match your meanings.

They have not.

You use them solely as name calling, although you don't understand they don't mean what you want them to mean.

 

Nobody reviled Birch. He was a war hero. The JBS took his name to front their vile policies.

 

Actually the "indians" ("Native Americans" in politically-correct terminology) are officially known as "nations" and really are that in the proper sense of the term because "nation" means born in a place where one has ties to the land.

The word "nation" means birth and natural, a "national" is one born in a specific place, but it involves more than the legal ius soli (right of citizenship based on birth). In it's original sense a nation was made up of individuals who shared not just a birthplace, but so too a wealth of features associated with the place they were born (national identity). This includes diet, attire, art forms, language, sporting activities, religion, architecture and other things. People with strong cultural identity share values and customs.

The different indian tribes each have national identities, most were nomadic, hunter-gatherers and their costumes, music, religion, diet, architecture, artistic and athletic preferences all relate to the lands they lived in.

The US is a nation emerged from transplanted populations, colonists, military and immigrants who had national identities from their origins, some of which they managed to transplant (language, religion, some values and customs), but the transplanted population is continuously renewed with fresh immigrants bringing evolving national identities. Policies encouraging "cultural identity", assimilation and integration all affect how diverse cultural identities evolve and how whatever common transplanted features develop.

National identity in it's fullest sense is something that emerges from what a people or nation in a given place share over hundreds of years, so we have Koreans, Japanese, Germans or Italians who have distinctly "national" names, religious practices, language, sports, ways of dress, diet, etc. In the US not enough time has elapsed and too many of the people there are relatively recent arrivals. Maybe some sports, peanut butter, pop-corn, jazz, but what else is there that is universal to all 'Americans'?

 

They do mean what I intend. You simply have not seen the indications that I have, or do not give credence to what you have seen. The intent has become fully clear now that the globalist plot is finally out there for all to see, not just those who stand to profit from it. People that formerly expressed concern about globalism were called "conspiracy theorists" and scapegoated. Now you are emulating that behavior.

What's vile about them? Some of the members were racist, but from the above article it appears that it was not a central belief.

You still haven't explained why you think my concept of progressive Marxism is off, either.

 

Merwen states that certain words "They do mean what I intend" but refuses to give factual, objective evidence that his definitions are in fact true.

I will keep respectfully pointing out that Merwen is not using words as they are actually defined, when he does that.

Globalist plot? NWO much???

 

The Star Spangled Banner, the flag, the Declaration of Of Independence, the Constitution, Christmas, Valentine's Day, Easter, July 4, Memorial Day, Halloween, etcetc--all of which Marxist progressives have attacked even though the ones originated in religion are now secular.

 

Sheesh. What marxist progs, Merwen, have done this?

 

It's obvious a certain crowd would like to just get their way on everything and therefore would prefer the rest of us not realize what they are up to until it's too late.

Your failure to provide detail on just what you do not agree with in my definition is noted. The fact that you further use an unproven assertion to try to invalidate me is typical of your posts.

You can also stop referring to me in the third person. That's not countenanced on this Forum. Yet another splitting technique.

 

Sure, but none of these are what is meant by "national (or cultural) identity". The national anthem is played with musical instruments that originated elsewhere in an orchestrated manner that isn't particularly 'American', and sung in English (not a native tongue). Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are written in that same foreign tongue, using legal, political and philosophical principles developed by Europeans of different nationalities. Christmas, valentines Day, Easter and Halloween are all religious celebrations some claim of pagan origins associated with European faiths or cultures, none are distinctly 'American'. For a genuinely 'American' holiday I'd suggest Thanksgiving, which is well-rooted, widespread and incorporates a lot of the sort of elements which in due course will become an expression of "national identity".

people from the US don't realize what "cultural (or national) identity" really is because there is nothing like this in their experience. Consider the bullfight, there's a musical genre which incorporates particular instruments (like the castanets), certain dance forms (the pasodoble), a way of singing (flamenco), special costumes (the suit of lights), complicated rules for differentiated roles in a team performance that has sporting elements performed in specifically designed 'stadiums' (bullrings) and has produced literature, paintings, architecture and cuisine. None of this is of much interest to anyone outside Spain, but practically every Spaniard knows enough about a lot of this and feels proud of it's cultural importance. There are dozens of things like this; the Easter processions, Mozarab architecture, Sherry... all quite Spanish, steeped in antiquity and shared by an entire nation. The same is true in Britain, France, Korea or Japan, special cooking utensils, distinct forms of drama, poetry, construction. Nothing like that (yet) can be claimed as part of the 'American' cultural identity. It's a matter of time, and it may be impossible in an environment where the population is continuously renewed with immigrant arrivals.

 

Merwen, when asked to define his words and terms, can only reply with "Your failure to provide detail on just what you do not agree with in my definition is noted."

I accept traditional terms and definitions, and if Merwen wants to change them, he has to show as affirmation why. He won't do that.

 

Nice try, but doesn't cut the mustard, because you still have not demonstrated that my usage is incorrect.

I am of course under no obligation to jump through conversational hoops that you have fabricated just to "win" some useless point.

 

Dude ^^^ you simply use "Marxist Progressives" in a negative term for people and politics you don't like but never make the connection.

So you are simply name calling without any correlation. OK.

 

You make some good points, but a deeper examination of other cultures will eventually reveal that many are also a pastiche of learnings and practices from even earlier ones. For example, the Romans borrowed a good deal from the Greeks after conquering and enslaving them, and Christianity spread to the Romans from their Jewish subjects. Spain, France, and England then learned many of these from the Romans when they occupied portions of Europe.

I like your defense of Thanksgiving, and tend to agree it is probably one of the most American practices we follow, but so is the Fourth of July, unless one is a Mexican bent on conquest.

What I particularly object to, since the US is still such a young culture, is other non-integrated groups coming here and immediately trying to remove things from our culture just because they do not fit in with their own practices...for example, the spoilsports that don't want children allowed to exchange Valentines on Valentine's Day, or draw bunnies and Easter eggs in art class at Easter time. These practices are still evolving into secular expressions of national identity and should IMO be left alone to evolve further. If others that join us want to add their own, fine, but they should not be squelching the evolution of our own culture...and this applies to atheists as well, who deliberately ignore the secular nature of many of these practices.