Is Ann Coulter correct, about Black citizens?

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    Yes, I agree with Ann Coulter's opinion that our Nation's "Civil Rights Movement" is exclusive to black or American citizens of African descent.

    I also agree with Ann Coulter when she unequivocally states #FATHERLESSNESS is emotionally harming far too many American children, teens and adults.



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    ...hmmm...


    Interesting.


    I've watched the vid several times, and I must have missed that part. She does not say that at any point, from what I saw in the vid.
     
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    Hello, Raffish. At :47 what do you believe AC was inferring when she states "I think civil rights are for blacks".



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    She never mentioned anything about any Civil Rights Movement which lasted a mere 15yrs from 1954 - 1969.

    She's saying that White people do in fact rape Black citizens, always, and therefore White people owe Black people a debt for the 'legacy of slavery' which America continues to burden Black people with.

    "owe black people a debt" = Civil Rights.


    And since no other group in America has been raped, like America continues to rape Black citizens, then no other group deserves civil rights outside of Black citizens.
     
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    Funny, she never said anything about "raping blacks". And she never specifically mention whites either, she said "liberals".
     
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    No. She never said rape, and tho that is what I said ---it is what she meant. Just like how, she did not say 1954-1969/Civil Rights Movement years and she did not say 1863-2018. But she meant those times frame, as the period for Slavery's Legacy



    Plus you're still wrong. Because she in fact did say "we" as in her (GOP) party and all parties, yes, she said "we have a Legacy of Slavery, we owe Black people something", so let us keep it real honest here.

    Only a very evil, deceitful citizen would disagree with her.
     
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    Ummm, this interview was taken before 2012. They are talking about Romney in there. So I would say your take on what she "meant" is way off since you don't even know what timeframes she was talking about.

    Meh, I can concede that when she is talking about "we", she could be referring to whites. But no the GOP since the GOP never owned any slaves and never was in charge where Jim Crow laws were established.

    Did "white Americans" owe blacks something? Sure, back in 1865. And the Republicans voted for the reparations act which allowed former slaves 40 acres and a mule. The democrats refused to give this reparations to their former slaves then turned around and used the mule as their banner animal. Do white Americans owe something to blacks today? Nope. Well, maybe the democrats could apologize to blacks for once for being the party of slavery and jim crow, something they never did.
     
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    You pretend as if you do not know, what "legacy" means in real time.

     
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    So you put all the blame of the still poor blacks on the shoulders of ALL white people? You do know that there are, and always have been successful blacks in America right? Not all, or even most whites in America today are keeping blacks down, or even racist right?
     
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    Yeah, so youre saying you have nothing in essence. The world has a "legacy" of something, if you keep living in the past, you can always claim that's the reason why you keep failing.
     
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    It's like you're angry, at me, because of the reality of what "legacy" means. It's like you're mad at, me, because America systemically holds Black people down ---thanks to your White privilege no doubt.
     
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    Please, point to any "systemic" oppression today that holds black people down. Not perceived or race baiting narratives, but actual systemic oppression since you want to be literal with your wording and all.
     
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    Exhibit B:



    An American Tragedy: The legacy of slavery lingers in our cities’ ghettos
    The United States of America, “a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal,” began as a slave society. What can rightly be called the “original sin” slavery has left an indelible imprint on our nationa’s soul. A terrible price had to be paid, in a tragic, calamitous civil war, before this new democracy could be rid of that most undemocratic institution. But for black Americans the end of slavery was just the beginning of our quest for democratic equality; another century would pass before the nation came fully to embrace that goal. Even now millions of Americans recognizably of African descent languish in societal backwaters. What does this say about our civic culture as we enter a new century?

    The eminent Negro man of letters W. E. B. Du Bois predicted in 1903 that the issue of the 20th century would be “the problem of the color line.” He has been proven right. At mid-century the astute Swedish observer of American affairs, Gunnar Myrdal, reiterated the point, declaring the race problem to be our great national dilemma and fretting about the threat it posed to the success of our democratic experiment...

    This sharp contrast between America’s lofty ideals, on the one hand, and the seemingly permanent second-class status of the Negroes, on the other, put the onus on the nation’s political elite to choose the nobility of their civic creed over the comfort of longstanding social arrangements. Ultimately they did so. Viewed in historic and cross-national perspective, the legal and political transformation of American race relations since World War II represents a remarkable achievement, powerfully confirming the virtue of our political institutions...

    Nevertheless, as anyone even vaguely aware of the social conditions in contemporary America knows, we still face a “problem of the color line.” The dream that race might some day become an insignificant category in our civic life now seems naively utopian. In cities across the country, and in rural areas of the Old South, the situation of the black underclass and, increasingly, of the black lower working classes is bad and getting worse...

    What is sometimes denied, but what must be recognized is that this is, indeed, a race problem. The plight of the underclass is not rightly seen as another (albeit severe) instance of economic inequality, American style. These black ghetto dwellers are a people apart, susceptible to stereotyping, stigmatized for their cultural styles, isolated socially, experiencing an internalized sense of helplessness and despair, with limited access to communal networks of mutual assistance. Their purported criminality, sexual profligacy, and intellectual inadequacy are the frequent objects of public derision. In a word, they suffer a pariah status. It should not require enormous powers of perception to see how this degradation relates to the shameful history of black-white race relations in this country.

    Moreover, there is a widening rift between blacks and whites who are not poor–a conflict of visions about the continuing importance of race in American life. Most blacks see race as still of fundamental importance; most whites (and also many Asians and Hispanics) think blacks are obsessed with race...

    Indeed, standing at the end of the 20th century, one can almost see Du Bois’s “problem of the color line” shifting before one’s eyes. An historic transformation on race-related issues in the United States is taking place...

    The civil rights approach–petitioning the courts and the federal government for relief against the discriminatory treatment of private or state actors–reached its limit more than a decade ago. Deep improvement in the status of many blacks has taken place, even as the underclass has grown, and there seems to be no politically effective way of mobilizing a national assault on the remaining problems...

    It is against this backdrop that statistical analyses of the status of African Americans are being conducted. Assessing how much or how little progress has taken place for blacks, and why, is one of the most fiercely contested empirical issues in the social sciences. For years, liberal advocates of blacks’ interests tried to deny that meaningful change was occurring. That assessment has always had problems, in my view. In any event, it is no longer tenable. Now the dominant voices on this subject come from right of center. They seem decidedly unfriendly to black aspirations. With great fanfare, these conservatives declare the historic battle against racial caste to have been won. They go on to say that, but for the behavioral dysfunction of the black poor and the misguided demands for affirmative action from a race-obsessed black middle class, our “problem of the color line” could be put behind us. Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom, with their new book, America in Black and White: One Nation, Indivisible, offer a prime example of this mode of assessment. This line of argument should not be permitted to shape our national understanding of these matters. Permit me briefly to say...

    Read more here: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...acy-of-slavery-lingers-in-our-cities-ghettos/
     
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    So, which laws are part of the systemic oppression? I see warnings, but no proof.
    You mean the ghettos of the inner cities that are ran by democrats and have been for 60 or so years? Yeah, no arguments here. What does that have to do with "white people" since a lot of these democrat cities have majority black council members and mayors? These are the new democrat plantations (blacks owned slaves too) that the right gets chastised for pointing out.
     
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    And again, these articles and studies focus on democratic areas and laws. The second paragraph on page 29 alone shows how biased this "study" is by stating "There is an overrepresentation of people of color in our prison system in comparison to their overall population in the country." There is also a huge "overrepresentation of people of color" who murder people in the US as well. Is murder a racist crime to have since the majority of those who commit this crime are people of color?

    I also do give credence that blacks are more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, but that's what happens when you openly deal or poses drugs on the street vs doing so in your own home. You keep giving more and more examples of democrats' history. This is not "white people" history. Just like hip hop doesn't represent all black people.
     
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    Warnings are not proof that its happened.
     
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    Opinion based pieces aren't "proof" either. Its not even factual saying "After being stolen away from their homes and families..". Slaves had stopped being imported before 1792, so most of the slaves that had ever been in the US weren't stolen away from their homes and families in Africa. Even still, those who did the "stealing" in Africa were other Africans, so don't blame white people for that. In fact, slavery still persists today in Africa. But again, nothing in this opinion piece shows any "proof" of on going systemic oppression. There are no laws on the books that allows any white person to oppress any black person.
     

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