Is climate change risk an invention of self interested and stupid?

No you didn't.

Okay, so why not a 59 year time period? Why not 84 years? Why not 200 million years? Why is a 30 year period or a 100 year period considered "holier" than any other time period? That's the question which you are not answering... Even assuming that all of the made up numbers are actually "data" and that they are actually "correct": If a 30 year period shows "global warming", maybe a 100 year period shows "global cooling" with a slight uptick at the end? So, which is it? Is the Earth "warming" or "cooling"? Well, it depends on which arbitrary time period you choose and which made up numbers you decide to believe...

Also, remember that anomalies are not a unit of measurement.

What about the "anomalies" from a 500 year average? A 2,000 year average?

Which locations? Why are those locations considered "holier" than other locations? What about the areas where we do not have any thermometers or human presence? How many thermometers are being used? Who is the authority reading them? What times are the thermometers being read? Are the thermometers properly calibrated? What "data" are these "anomalies" being determined from? There is a lot more involved here than "take some random numbers and average them and claim that to be the temperature of the Earth"...

Hell, I bet you can't even tell me what the temperature of Rhode Island is... and that's just the smallest US State, let alone any other State, let alone the whole USA, let alone any other country, let alone a continent, let alone any other continent, let alone the whole Earth...

How many times do I have to say it... Anomalies are NOT a unit of measurement... Anomalies are determined AFTER the fact... But okay, let's run with this one too... Taken at the same times each day? Great! Now, what times are they taken? Why those times as opposed to any other times? Are they all being taken by the same authority? This is all stuff which you aren't thinking about when you just blindly accept a pretty looking chart as "data"/"evidence"/"proof"/etc...

Yes, you do. Where do you think these "anomalies" are being determined from, genius? You NEED temperature measurement data to draw from. You NEED absolute temperature measurements. The thermometers NEED to be properly calibrated. If you are performing a statistical analysis, data MUST be raw data, it MUST be selected by randN, and it MUST be normalized by paired randR. A variance MUST be declared and justified, and a margin of error MUST be calculated using that variance.

You are completely and utterly rejecting mathematics, as are these "climate scientists" you deem as a "holy authority". (let alone your (and their) rejection of science as well as logic).

 

uh, it most certainly is, lol.

No, as my data isn't "made up numbers" like you provided. My numbers are repeatable.

which is a stupid argument, because the numbers we currently have are not made up.

www.google.com

 

No matter how many times you say it it will never be true. Anomalies are the MEASUREMENT of the difference between the current MEASUREMENT and the average MEASUREMENT over a 30 or more year period.

 

Pure hogwash. As was explained to you over and over, even inaccurate uncalibrated thermometers can give accurate anomalies because they are measured against an average of the data recorded by that individual inaccurate instrument, so any inaccuracies from a lack of calibration cancel out because the inaccuracies are consistent throughout the process, that is why REAL scientists use anomalies rather than absolute temp.

 

A link to the google homepage is not the temperature of West Virginia. What is the temperature of West Virginia?

 

Anomalies are not measurements. They are determined FROM measurements... This means that you are claiming that the Earth's temperature has been measured. What is it?

Hell, let's start with the temperature of Rhode Island... What is THAT?

 

Take a gander at the real temp data set then, and compare it to what is being fed into the models. If that doesn't convince you, nothing can. Oh, and they are actually right about the totality observation. We simply don't know enough about the distinct temp differences of the ocean to create an amalgamation of it's temperatures. When you see the surface temp maps, they are presented as if there is actual data that is granular enough to make those maps with, but they are not. They are captured from hugely widely dispersed buoys that report their specific location data and nothing else. Its a game that you seem unwilling to win at.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL how do you measure the temperature of something with an uncalibrated thermometer?? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Thermometers do not yield "anomalies". Anomalies are not a unit of measurement. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

How do you know that the instrument is remaining equally inaccurate over it's existence? You can't get any reliable measurements from inaccurate instruments, dude.........

You're just assuming that the instrument remains equally out of calibration all the while you keep using it... LOLOLOLOLOLOL.... This is laughable.

Appeal to Purity Fallacy.

They use anomalies because they think that it sounds fancier and that they can better disguise that they have no clue what the temperature of the Earth is. Unfortunately for them, there are people like me who are literate in logic, science, and mathematics. There are people like me who will call their religious fear-mongering bullshit out for what it is.

 

Ok, so why does it take a 30 year average? Because we only have like 150 years of actual data? And when you chunk it out into such small increments, the data can show huge variation? Cause that's honest... k.. still laughing.

 

Now you are just being deliberately DISHONEST! I specifically said over and over the Earth's temperature is not necessary to MEASURE anomalies!!!!
The fact that you have to be deliberately deceptive proves you know I am right and you are wrong.
Thank you.

 

HOGWASH!
You get practically the same results using a century average!
History of global surface temperature since 1880
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature
Explore this interactive graph: Click and drag to display different parts of the graph. To squeeze or stretch the graph in either direction, hold your Shift key down, then click and drag. The graph shows average annual global temperatures since 1880 (source data) compared to the long-term average (1901-2000). The zero line represents the long-term average temperature for the whole planet; blue and red bars show the difference above or below

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/
This graph illustrates the change in global surface temperature relative to 1951-1980 average temperatures. Eighteen of the 19 warmest years all have occurred since 2001, with the exception of 1998. The year 2016 ranks as the warmest on record. (Source: NASA/GISS). This research is broadly consistent with similar constructions prepared by the Climatic Research Unit and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

 

There you go again, just saying Na Na like a broken record!
Any inaccuracy in a mercury thermometer is baked in when it was constructed and SEALED. Please PROVE that its inaccuracy changes over time.
Plus it is piss easy to calibrate a thermometer, you simply measure ice water and boiling water and record the difference, so the odds are the thermometers are calibrated quite accurately to begin with, even though it is not necessary when using anomalies.

 

March 01, 2012
RUSH: To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it." It's a blessing! You know, the worst thing would be to be dumb and to know it -- and there's evidence all over that the dumb do not know they're dumb.

 

No, you just don't understand what anomalies even are to begin with. This is due to your religion's denial of mathematics.

Again, you cannot measure anomalies. Anomalies are determined FROM measurements after the fact.

I haven't been. You simply are denying mathematics, as your fundamentalist style religion does.

Not a proof... merely evidence.

No, I am right. I am not the one denying mathematics.

 

Insulting me does not have any effect on my arguments.

 

Pure projection on your part.
From NOAA's page on Global Surface Temperature Anomalies

1. What is a temperature anomaly?
   The term temperature anomaly means a departure from a reference value or long-term average. A positive anomaly indicates that the observed temperature was warmer than the reference value, while a negative anomaly indicates that the observed temperature was cooler than the reference value.
   
   
2. Why use temperature anomalies (departure from average) and not absolute temperature measurements?
   Absolute estimates of global average surface temperature are difficult to compile for several reasons. Some regions have few temperature measurement stations (e.g., the Sahara Desert) and interpolation must be made over large, data-sparse regions. In mountainous areas, most observations come from the inhabited valleys, so the effect of elevation on a region's average temperature must be considered as well. For example, a summer month over an area may be cooler than average, both at a mountain top and in a nearby valley, but the absolute temperatures will be quite different at the two locations. The use of anomalies in this case will show that temperatures for both locations were below average.
   
   Using reference values computed on smaller [more local] scales over the same time period establishes a baseline from which anomalies are calculated. This effectively normalizes the data so they can be compared and combined to more accurately represent temperature patterns with respect to what is normal for different places within a region.
   
   For these reasons, large-area summaries incorporate anomalies, not the temperature itself. Anomalies more accurately describe climate variability over larger areas than absolute temperatures do, and they give a frame of reference that allows more meaningful comparisons between locations and more accurate calculations of temperature trends.

 

www.google.com. In the home page search bar, type in “what is the temperature of West Virginia”.

 

So you too think making bald assertions somehow refutes the science. Lol

 

What mathematics? Your argument thus far consists of “Nuh uh”. You have provided no data what so ever to show the current science is wrong.

 

I doubt you meant to make me laugh, but I did, and likely you won't actually understand why. But thanks.

 

Thanks for acknowledging I was correct. You think simply making assertions with no evidence somehow refutes the science. Lol.

 

Like I said initially, "I doubt you know why I laughed"... I did write that, you actually quoted it. And now, here you are asserting yet another unsupportable jibe... But sure, you feel glib. We get it. And again, it is fun to watch. In kind of the same way it's humorous watching your puppy chase shadows on the sidewalk....

 

I asked you what it is. I'm not doing your homework for you. Tell me what it is. Oh, that's right, you can't...

 

I'm just going to point out to you that your own source validates exactly what GFM was writing about to you. From your own source...

The term temperature anomaly means a departure from a reference value or long-term average.

Ta Da.. You've been wrong like the whole conversation....

 

False Authority Fallacy.

NOAA is not mathematics.