Is communism immoral?

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  1. Starjet

    Starjet Active Member Past Donor

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    For the record:

    To defend communism is a sign of moral depravity. It is the same as defending the right to rape, loot, torture, and murder. It is not a matter of a difference of opinion, any more than the earth revolving around the sun is. Or that Hitler gased and machined gun mothers as they breast feed their babes, or that China practices forced abortions. The truth is never an insult: Is this a board for adults and thinkers, or a place for snowflakes not to melt, or a sanctuary for the deprave to spew their venom. To support communism is to announce to the world you are one depraved soul. That's a truth, not an insult., and if you can't face your own soul, then don't insult the murdered by defending the indefensible to try and cleanse your soul. Defending and supporting communism is not a moral act, it is damn near the most evil act, intellectually, being committed today.

    The real insult would be to not defend the truth of the Pol Pots killing fields. Or do 3-5 million slaughtered not matter anymore? Or as in Venezuela, do eating animals from a zoo to stay alive not offend anyone? Or does the 60+ million butchered by Mao not count as human victims of a butchering monster, just because he wrote a little red book. May any who defend any form of collectivism, but especially communism and socialism, pay a self-inflected metaphysical price of pain for their sin, or they can repent and start the long road to redemption and become once again a moral being. The evidence of communism's evil is as obvious as Ted Bundy's depravity, evil, and the bodies of his victims. So obvious that only a child could be excused for being ignorant of it I have yet found one child on this board. Ignorance is not a sin, willingly evading the obvious is.

    Ayn Rand: "
    One must never fail to pronounce moral judgment.

    Nothing can corrupt and disintegrate a culture or a man’s character as thoroughly as does the precept of moral agnosticism, the idea that one must never pass moral judgment on others, that one must be morally tolerant of anything, that the good consists of never distinguishing good from evil.

    It is obvious who profits and who loses by such a precept. It is not justice or equal treatment that you grant to men when you abstain equally from praising men’s virtues and from condemning men’s vices. When your impartial attitude declares, in effect, that neither the good nor the evil may expect anything from you—whom do you betray and whom do you encourage?"--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/moral_judgment.html

    Ayn Rand:
    “Thousands of years ago, the first man discovered how to make fire. He was probably burned at the stake he had taught his brothers to light. He was considered an evildoer who had dealt with a demon mankind dreaded. But thereafter men had fire to keep them warm, to cook their food, to light their caves. He had left them a gift they had not conceived and he had lifted darkness off the earth. Centuries later, the first man invented the wheel. He was probably torn on the rack he had taught his brothers to build. He was considered a transgressor who ventured into forbidden territory. But thereafter, men could travel past any horizon. He had left them a gift they had not conceived and he had opened the roads of the world.

    “That man, the unsubmissive and first, stands in the opening chapter of every legend mankind has recorded about its beginning. Prometheus was chained to a rock and torn by vultures—because he had stolen the fire of the gods. Adam was condemned to suffer—because he had eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Whatever the legend, somewhere in the shadows of its memory mankind knew that its glory began with one and that that one paid for his courage."--http://www.workthesystem.com/getting-it/howard-roarks-courtroom-speech/

    And today, that vulture is Communism, and the Capitalists, the individual, and America, are today's Prometheus.

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  2. Starjet

    Starjet Active Member Past Donor

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    Why Do Communist Supporters Ignore the Butchered Lives of 100 Million Plus

    What is that resides in the souls of those who close their eyes to the brutality of communism on human beings. Is that they didn't hear of the screams in the dead of the night in Castro's Cuba, Stalin's Gulags, Mao's
    Cultural Revolution, Pol Pots empting of the cities. It has all been documented. You can see the horror right now in the communist states still in existence, such as Venezuela. What does it take to support that which makes rivers of blood, lives of misery, screams of horror. I say its the moral depravity of the wanting of the unearned no matter who gets hurt. After all, everyone agrees the sacrifice of an individual for the greater good is man's greatest moral attribute.

    Listen to Yaron Brook, and see if you agree:

    http://www.theblaze.com/podcasts/ya...seem-to-care-how-many-people-communism-kills/

     
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  3. Kode

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    I agree that it is highly objectionable, but "moral depravity"? That may not be the most accurate way to describe the failure that communist efforts have been.


    You don't mean "communism". You mean "communist policies, efforts, methods, and practices found in history." Communism has never existed. But you don't want to know this or you would be curious enough to investigate exactly what I mean.


    Apparently not in all cases. You, for example, have been resistant.


    What, exactly, is "communism", and be sure to indicate your source for your definition. This, alone, would prove your error to you.


    What does all this have to do with today or with this forum or the views of anyone here? Or are you just practicing venting pent-up anxieties?


    Really? Then why have you been evading and willingly resisting and refusing my offer to discuss socialism with civility and honesty? The truth I would point out is obvious to anyone who pauses and thinks about it just a bit.


    Ayn Rand was a hypocritical whore. She made millions from publishing her "values" that she promptly abandoned when it became convenient to do so. http://www.snopes.com/ayn-rand-social-security/
     
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    Admirers honor 'Che' Guevara 50 years after his death

    The depraved once again rise and bow to alter of mass butcher, begging to kiss his torturing ass. You better hope there is a God to forgive you. I won't.

    "The Truth About Che Guevara"

    "He helped free Cubans from the repressive Batista regime, only to enslave them in a totalitarian police state worst than the last. He was Fidel Castro’s chief executioner, a mass-murderer who in theory could have commanded any number of Latin American death squads, from Peru’s Shining Path on the political left to Guatemala’s White Hand on the right."--http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/truth-about-che-guevara

    Chavez and Maduro's murdering hero, the man who vomited on the soul of man, Che Guevara. Damn, are you b*****ds who admire this psychopath some very sick puppies--and Bernie Sanders and his teeny bopper post mod squad's hero. Its all almost too much to bear. Who will be ANTIFA's Che Guevara? Who will become the butcher that will make Americans afraid to say, "I admire George Washington and Thomas Jefferson"? And how soon will it happen?
     
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  5. see you next tuesday

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    Oh you shouldn't forget but its like it never went away in America. I heard the C word all the time when i was growing up but its a word i hear less and less as i get older.
     
  6. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's because it has been rebranded.
     
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    Go on then....re-branded to what?
     
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    WRONG. The early Christians were not communists.

    In Acts 2, Jews were in Jerusalem for Pentecost. When the Holy Spirit came, many of these Jews became Christians and stayed in Jerusalem beyond what they had planned (for Pentecost), they exhausted the money and food they had on hand, and other Christians shared with them.

    There was no state involvement, no demand that people share, no enforcement of sharing, it was purely voluntary. That's not communism.

    And it was not the norm, it happened at that moment in Jerusalem, and that was all. It did not become the standard.

    Communism violates almost every prescription in the New Testament. It makes no sense to even entertain the idea that the early church practiced communism, "progressivism", or socialism.
     
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    There has been a heavy propaganda campaign against it since before the Cold War and ever since. That is probably where you heard it when you were growing up. It sure wasn't debated freely and honestly. Any "debate" on the subject was dominated by talking points from propaganda. That was the content. Even today there is a virtual taboo against discussing it, and that illicits only more talking points and ready-made disinformation. Heck, even you wrote "the C word" rather than just typing "communism". We're not supposed to even mention it. And you didn't.

    Everybody over age 15 in the U.S. is very certain they know what communism is. They are very confident. They can't be told anything because they have the straight and honest propaganda on it. Yet only about 2 or 3% of the public actually know what it is. It's necessary to study sources that are not anti-communist long enough and deeply enough that the certainty that it's all lies gives way to honest realization of the truth. And the truth is not so radical after all.
     
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    LOL!!!!! It CAN'T be but you don't know that or what it actually is.
     

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