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Is communism immoral?

Discussion in 'Political Science' started by sxane, Sep 3, 2016.

  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    So, in your opinion, do you conclude that "Pure Communism" is an absolute fail?
     
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    No, I'll deny it. Go find your "proof" if you like.


    Impossible? You don't know that and can't.
     
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    Repeating my comment:

    "Human Nature makes Pure Communism impossible to succeed."

    China had to drop their 100% state Socialism system, to dig their way out of stagnant economy. It is still a Socialist state,but Capitalism has been allowed in, as part of their national strategy to develop themselves.
     
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    Post #82: Kode said: "And all Marxist theory point clearly to it being impossible. When will you adjust your propaganda to reflect he truth?'

    Hmm... Short term memory losses.... Good thing your quote is still up on the site. Go back a page or two. Although, the realization might trigger something, and we may not want that.... :roflol:
     
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    No, not short term memory loss.... my "sloppy" wording. Allow me to correct it so you can comment on it as I intended it to be....

    "You don't know that communism is a 'soul sucking authoritarianism enforced by tyranny' because communism has never existed. And all Marxist theory point clearly to it being impossible (that it be a 'soul sucking authoritarianism enforced by tyranny'."

    The reason for that is that, by definition, communism is a "stateless" society since the need for, and existence of, any state machinery has "withered away" in Marx's terminology. And without a state, communism cannot be authoritarian.
     
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    Perhaps you should have stopped while you were nominally not as deeply entrenched in this hole you yourself created. Now, we are to believe that communism isn't soul sucking and authoritarianistic? LOL... I'd just say this. If you're going to hang on to the "stateless" you're going to have to insert a possible replacement to ward off anarchy. Unless you truly believe that Marx was shooting for it. I doubt you'll find this, as he simply assumes that folks will ultimately "become" peaceable. I find that incredibly hopeful. If, as you've said, that stateless becomes the point, and all needs are magically produced, who anticipates future improvement? If all is bucolic and happy, why ever improve?
     
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    Again, you show you lack a valid understanding of communism. Communism is a theory put forward by Marx. It doesn't exist in any country and has never existed in any country. Marx knew and said that was true and said it would be a very long time before any state withered away. Such is a theory. And yet you assert that communism is "soul sucking and authoritarian." Where? Where is such a state found if communism has never existed? Perhaps you should have stopped while you were nominally not as deeply entrenched in this hole you yourself created.


    Since that stateless society is, according to Marx, a very long way off, I need not ward off anything. That stateless condition cannot be imposed. If it ever occurs it will occur by default as the state "withers away". No effort to impose anything will be necessary..... -IF it ever occurs.


    That is all irrelevant to today's needs, since that stateless society is a theory of some distant time and social condition. I am not concerned with it. Maybe it will never happen. No matter.
     
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    Yes, maybe it will never happen. And because it won't ever happen, further discussion of the validity or future benefits of it are unwarranted. Pining for the unachievable seems vaguely religious, and likely to be about as realistic. What we can do, though, is evaluate the attempt at communism and witness just how unworkable, how intransigent those societies become, and why they ultimately fail from their own unworkability. Yes, there is a soul sucking aspect to the idea that achievement isn't a valuable attribute in man, as it removes the potential for improvement because it necessarily creates the non-egalitarian state that Marx was so concerned about overcoming. So, obfuscate all you wish. The critical aspect of your comment is that it will never happen, so, impossible to see the need to discuss it further.
     
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    That is why I don't usually bother discussing communism. But you wanted to pursue it.
     
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