Is Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

actually, its all about hate, as the Confederacy was created in order to defend and protect white supremacist rule over black people, who they saw as inferior as per God's judgement.

 

LMFAO. Misguided Christians have been spoon fed this drivel that they are "Gentiles" and that the Jews are superior to them. A Gentile is cattle, a subhuman. And what did the Jews do for mankind? It is okay for SOME people to hold beliefs that are what you claim is hate and evil... except they are not white Christians. What a double standard!

Whites did not invent slavery. AND YOU STILL DID NOT MENTION THE FACT THAT NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT BLACK SLAVERS WHO SOLD THEIR BRETHREN INTO SLAVERY. Are you the guy who gets getting my posts deleted in order to avoid that uncomfortable fact? Under the Anglo Saxon system of jurisprudence, the whites treated slaves better than ANY society ever had or has since. You left that out. In the South, the average slave ate better, had better living quarters, dressed better, and lived longer than their white skin, blue collar contemporaries. You left that out. Over 60 percent of indentured servants died before they finished their contract. Let us continue. America became the greatest nation in the annals of history on what you claim is evil.

The reality is, God blessed this nation above all others. That is because the colonists and earliest Americans believed themselves to be the biblical Israelites; that America is the New Jerusalem; that the white people were in a covenant relationship with God for a destined purpose. Those are facts you have yet to comment on. John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, as presidents, made speeches referring to the sermon wherein John Winthrop called America "a shining city on a hill" as per Scripture. Maybe you'd benefit off of reading that sermon:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

God made us the greatest nation in the annals of history and the U.S. was the first people in modern history to abolish slavery. Check this out:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomlin...ll-didnt-america-invent-slavery/#3fd951e97ef6

How many more times do you want to beat this dead horse?

 

It isn't a jump. It is what the Confederates had to say for themselves. It is what they, in their own words, primarily seceded over. It is, primarily, what they formed a new country over. They said so. Repeatedly. Their own words are on our side on this. I've provided evidence. When I did so, your complaint changed to the claim that I would only know this much about history if I hated white people. You have yet to appeal to any historical source yourself or address any historical source provided. The only side trying to "erase history" here is, well, yours. Your position has been soundly defeated.

 

YOUR position was soundly defeated. How many times does it have to be explained to you? How many times does your position have to be refuted? How many times before you understand that I took a modern day analogy of what is going on today to prove you wrong? Your stubbornness does not make you right. There is the stated reason that political figureheads say they are doing something (the pretext) and then there is the real reason. Things are rarely what they seem.

Do you honest to God think that Trump could motivate people to chant the mantra of enforcing immigration laws if they had even a inkling of a clue that the immigration laws were designed to make whites the minority race? Do you really and honestly believe that? I know full well he's full of excrement, but you can't talk the sheeple out of bleating. It was the same deal with the North and the South. The South figures that if the federal government can force their will on an issue, it will never stop.

Look, Ronstar asked for a poll. The respondents responded; they disagreed with your position and Ronstar's. If I have to, I can go back and get the reasons from this thread as to what this is about. Ronstar's position failed and now those of you wanting to prolong this argument are showing nothing but disrespect and hatred towards your fellow posters. If they felt like that damn flag had something to do with them being for slavery, they would have admitted it. So, aren't you calling people liars for having participated in the poll and telling you what they think? How does this silliness end in an atmosphere where we can have productive and meaningful dialogue? Since you could not change anybody's mind, what you're doing is to attack every individual person that voted in the poll. And what you cannot understand is political reality. A pretext is not the real reason for most everything in politics. Trump supporters don't give a rat's rear about immigration laws; they are against multiculturalism. We did not go to war over Weapons of Mass Destruction and that was a pretext; liberals yap about "saving lives" when they argue for gun control, but a political demographic that rips babies out of the mother's womb sure as Hell isn't about saving lives... they are concerned with control. This issue isn't one bit different. It's been explained to you repeatedly.

The filibustering and accusations are not changing the outcome for you. The back door name calling and back handed slaps are not appreciated.

 

I've provided historical sources. You've provided none, nor have you address those I've provided. I don't care about whatever beef you have with "liberals" or "Trump supporters." History is history. It doesn't care about your politics, no matter how much you beg it to do so. Nor does a poll change history.

I've said that secession was primarily about slavery . . . I've cited the fact that the seceding states at the time agree with me on this. You, much like bluesguy, will never be able to address that fact. Hell, you even complained that I provided too many sources. Your desperation to change the subject just because your attempts to erase history are failing don't change anything. Can you even bear to write more than one paragraph (hell, even a full paragraph would be awesome) that actually addresses the history in question?

 

YOU PROVIDED PRETEXTS. It's not my fault that history does not agree with you. Furthermore, not a damn thing you've wasted your time over has squat to do with this thread. The rebel flag was not the official Confederate flag so it does not represent what you claim. You seek only to further an agenda of bigotry toward white people. Quite frankly, I find the condescension and telling whites what they believe when they level with you to be annoying. I have never complained that you provided too many sources. On the contrary I openly admitted and stipulated as to what the pretexts said in the official records. I've also shown you many examples over the course of this thread that the pretexts are not really the reason for anything.

As if that weren't enough, you have found NO justification for the federal government to violate the states Rights. NONE. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Only the North could have avoided the war. Otherwise the Declaration of Independence, the War of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the Constitution of the United States would be bogus documents carrying no more weight than a sovereign citizen armed with a list of court cases stating that he has a Right to travel. Do you think the Constitution is a nothing but a G.D. piece of paper as King George the Bush thought? Is it something that you would urinate on or spit on just because you can't tolerate the fact that people and STATES have Rights you can't control? And then you want to accuse people of NOT giving the politics of it all any weight of being for slavery for flying a flag? This is absolute insanity. There are many things that I do not like about the United States. I don't care too much about wholesale abortion, the so - called "Patriot Act," the NATIONAL ID / REAL ID Act, E Verify, the Constitution Free Zone, gun control, the direct election of U.S. Senators, undeclared wars, the immigration laws, the illegally ratified 14th and 16th Amendments, especially the evisceration of unalienable Rights by way of the 14th Amendment, and many other things. Despite all the things I disagree with, I'm still not offended by the red, white and blue because it's more than a symbol of the things I don't like. It's probably the same thing people from the South feel when they fly the rebel flag aka the Confederate flag. Your side lost the poll. But, you're not going to do what you expect those who disagree with you to do.

In the final analysis, the war wasn't ever over. You're simply rekindling it when there is no issue to fight over. The real agenda has been spelled out in previous posts. So keep beating that dead horse.

 

As Trump would say, people who fought for the confederacy were losers and those who died for the confederacy were suckers. It is a flag of defeat. I like flags that represent countries that have not been defeated and disbanded.

 

As soon as they get back to me on the KKK allegation. You don't get to attack people and make that kind of accusation.

 

Dude, this is even worse than your Civil War "history." But thanks for the laughs. The etymology of the name "Saxon" has absolutely nothing to do with Isaac and never has. They were named after the Seax . . . a knife. And the thirteen stripes on the flag represent the original thirteen colonies . . . something most of us learned by elementary school . . . not the tribes of Israel. God, even by the worst conspiracy theory standards, this is just terrible.

 

I've gone into why the first few examples are fake, which you have shown you are unable to address. This is real criticism -- that the things your sources say are false. The only thing phony is the "response." I've "accessed" your video. It's laughable. I've provided some reasons why. Again, you are unwilling to address the facts.

You've made claims about Civil War history. I've proven them false. But you are correct in that you never presented any sources . . . and were unwilling or unable to address the sources I provided.

Were you under the impression that this was a real argument? Because it isn't. I provided evidence for my claims, which you failed to address. You provided no evidence for your claims, at least not the topical ones. You provided "evidence" for your identitarian conspiracy theory in that you provided links . . . which are complete jokes.

 

But it is related to slavery and white supremacy. Throw in the flag of the traitor states as well.

 

the Confederate flag and Nazi flag are very similar as both represent ideologies of extreme racism

 

I made it through the first 3 proofs of the "100 proofs" video. They claim that the Saxons were named after Isaac -- Saxon = Son of Isaac (they weren't; they were named after the Saex knife, and this came from the Latin name for them . . . where they, of course) don't use the word "son" to describe male offspring). The second claim involved Europeans following Israelite law . . . which they certainly didn't. Europeans ate pigs, horse (on special occasions), whale meat, and eels, all of which are non-Kosher. The third claim is that the thirteen stripes of the US flag represent the thirteen tribes of Israel. They don't. They represent the original thirteen colonies. I may watch the rest later for entertainment value, but for now it is just annoying.

 

I support your Right to believe anything you want. The thirteen colonies got their ideas from somewhere. That's because the colonists believed they were the Israelites:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

BTW, not only do I support your Right to believe whatever you want, if the moderators deleted your posts, I would rebuke them and tell you places to go wherein you CAN have an honest, open dialogue. Feel free to flame me.

 

There was no attempt by the colonies to somehow remain only 13 colonies and there was no pre-planning to make the colonies exactly 13 . . . please look up the history. They weren't coordinating for that. They had different reasons for coming to the US.

No one is flaming you. We are disagreeing with you and explaining why. And if I break the rules when doing so, I have no problem with moderators removing my posts. It is their right and it has happened in the past.

 

Yes, I have. I've provided the history of the term "Saxon," I've shown that Europeans didn't keep Israelite law, and I've shown where the 13 stripes actually came from.

The colonists didn't coordinate to reach exactly 13 colonies. You are calling "checkmate" without realizing your are playing backgammon.

 

Yes just like many white nationalists and KKK and neo-nazis hold some very evil views about people who are different from them, there are some rabbis who have held very disgusting and bigoted views about Gentiles. Of course most of these views are countered by views that are in the Bible and in the talmud but you can't help stupid. The Bible and the Talmud is very clear that gentiles have a place in God's kingdom especially if they follow the laws of Noah.

 

It isn't "weakness" to respond to a post point-by-point. It is weakness to refuse address your own individual points and those of others.

Yes, I have. Several times. What would you like me to repeat?

My statements were proven to be WHAT THE CONFEDERACY HAD TO SAY ABOUT ITSELF. Stamp your feet and cry and call it "pretext" all you want, but I've provided primary sources . . . the foundation of historical research . . . and you've provided none. Why is that?

Seeing as I never made any such claim and you know damn well that I didn't, try asking the question again. This time try being honest.

 

the right to keep black human beings as slaves and maintain white supremacy.

what a pathetic and disgusting reason to secede from a union.

 

which unalienable rights did the 14th Amendment nullify?

which of the bill of rights were destroyed?

 

we didnt rebel against the UK in order to preserve human slavery.

 

please elaborate and explain.

 

You are posting pretexts, not reasons.

 

Neither was the real reason for the War of Northern Aggression about slavery. Slavery just happened to be a states right.

 

ah, so you're saying that the Preamble to the US Constitution is law, intended that only white people could become citizens, and any Amendment to the US Constitution allowing non-white people to be citizens violates the Preamble and the intent of our Founders.

fascinating. You are aware that no court in the land would EVER agree that the Preamble is legal precedent or can be used to uphold or strike down any laws.

the USA is for all its people, especially considering the fact that white people came to this land from THOUSANDS of miles away, and committed mass-genocide against its native habitants.

the argument that the Preamble intended the USA to be a white-only nation forever, is just silly.