Is Donald Trump any different from any other president before him?

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Is Donald Trump any different from any other president before him?

  1. Yes but for the better, he's actually in touch with the REAL America!

    10 vote(s)
    21.7%
  2. Yes because he's a Washington outsider, people voted for him because he would be different

    11 vote(s)
    23.9%
  3. No, he's no different to his predecessors

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    10.9%
  4. Yes because he's more corrupt and incompetent than his (immediate) predecesors

    10 vote(s)
    21.7%
  5. Yes because he is absolutely the worst president in the history of the nation.

    10 vote(s)
    21.7%
  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    The only people who credit Trump for low unemployment numbers are those who can't read a graph or refuse to consult one. I'm not crediting Obama, but the favorable economic trends in employment, the stock market, etc. all started on his watch. As I've said before: Obama's followers confuse correlation with causation. Trumpists can't even get the correlation part right.
     
  2. Reasonablerob

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    Again I ask you specifically how Trump is any different, what specifically has he done to qualify as a dictator etc?
     
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    Yes, people used to say that all the time about Nixon and Reagan. Name me a US president who HASN'T praised and coddled dictators? Plenty referred to their opponents nastily, they just haven't had twitter to do so.
     
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    Again, you keep making these allegations but specifically how? Think of the people who slagged off war heroes Bill Casey and Olly North? How has bombing Syria and providing weapons to the Ukraine pleased Russia?
     
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    Are you sure they're the ones who are brainwashed? Are you sure it might not be you? Maybe they just have a different viewpoint? Maybe they just prefer Trump to the left wing alternatives and aren't at all fooled as to his qualities as a human being. That's not being brainwashed.

    Clinton was guilty.
     
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    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    ok clinton was guilty

    does that make trump innocent??
     
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    I feel he was elected mostly for being on the Republican ticket after 8 years of Obama and because Hillary looked terrible after all was said and done leading up to November of 2016. This is why he got a rather small popular vote turnout, indeed lower than that of his opponent, but got a sweeping electoral college victory. He didn't enthuse much of the nation but did enthuse a small base, and thanks to Russian active measures, his opponent appeared corrupt while he was an "outsider," as you point out. People didn't know what to make of him as a politician, but they knew they didn't like Hillary.
     
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    So far we have found nothing he has been proven culpable off?
     
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    I watched 12 of 13 lifetime miltary and public servants testify trump and his adminstartion conspired to involve a foriegn government in the 2020 elections
    every witness said they were there testifying as a sense of duty to the USA

    the 13th witness that also testfied trump and his administartion conspired to use a foreign goverment had given one million dolars to trumps inaguaral
    what was his motive for lyng?? he said EVERYONE WAS IN THE LOOP

    we have yet to hear from Pompeo or Mulvaney...why has trump not allowed then to testify??

    Mulvaney had a jack nicholson moment and said at a press conference

    YOU DAMN RIGHT THERE WAS QUID PRO QUO , GET OVER IT

    well just like the movie....it is not legal or ethical to be above the law

    you can spout all you want that trump is innocent

    ony the brainwashed think trump is honest and trustworthy

    and fox news

    my guess is hannity and dobbs are pulling the strings the same as Cheney did for bush

    after all trump watches each show then tweets like a 15 years old girl 20 times a day

    and he is proven to hold all records for the biggest liar in the history of this country
     
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    He lies more often and he seems uniquely incapable of critical thought. If he hears something he likes, he believes it. That's it. No fact-checking at all. Whatever is flattering must be true.
     
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    Yes he is pretty much the first ADHD president.
     
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    What hearings did you watch? All the rest of us saw was a bunch of folks honestly saying all the rumours of quid pro quo were supposition and hearsay? Even the most ardent Dems are now backpedalling on the matter.

    No one thinks Trump is honest and trustworthy, they just prefer him to the alternative. I'm sure he doesn't beat Daniel Boon in the lying stakes. Or Wilson over his stroke, FDR over his handicap, JFK over the Bay of Pigs, LBJ over Vietnam, Nixon over Watergate, Reagan/Bush Sr over Iran/Contra, Clinton over Monica, Obama over the ATF buyback etc?

    Again, have you ever considered you might be the one who is brainwashed?
     
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    and most of the people you mentioned suffered consequences for their actions

    did any of your list come away unscathed by their actions??

    why should trump skate??


    and you say rumors of quid pro qou??

    the guy that donated ONE million dollars to trump said there was a quid pro guo and EVERYONE was in the loop

    do you really believe 13 people would/could testify and agree on the same set of facts

    and all confirm trumps scheme was NOT just rumor and was a fact ??

    let me get this straight..

    you believe all 13 conspired to testify before then entire world and LIE??

    then the tooth fairy is real

    ONLY trump can lie on the worlds stage and have no shame

    it is kinda like when Buzz Aldrin went to the moon and did not see moon men

    and someone said well since ole buzz did not look in every moon crater, then it is not a fact

    sorry charlie ... trump conspired to use a foreign goverment to help him win an election

    that may be ok in trump world

    but the truth does matter even if you dont think so
     
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    Yep, everyone except Nixon and arguably LBJ.

    No, the witnesses didn't lie they all told the truth but the truth was there was no evidence against Trump, it was all assumption and hearsay.

    I'll think you'll find plenty of politicians lie on the worlds stage with no shame.

    Trump conspired to use a foreign government to help him win the election? If you have evidence I think you should let Mr Mueller know, this wasn't Chinagate.
     
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    How different are the people than the all the people before them? Maybe they are so different that Trump is the only kind of president they can have.
     
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    Stylistically he is considerably different. Not that different when it comes to policy.
     
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    That's actually his advantage, people support him because he's not the traditional Washington insider?
     
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    I wouldn't call 41% support. And he's the very epitome of the Washington Insider. Have you ever read his books? They're Bibles of how to make Sweetheart Deals and navigate the pathways of crooked crony capitalism. Making your fortune in America is easy. All you have to do is have a father who had the crooked goods on everybody and 500 million dollars. If you cheat all your contractors and run 4 businesses where people literally GIVE you money into the ground you too can be the most corrupt President in history.
     
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    It's truly amazing how quickly this scheme against Trump came together. In a little under just two years a whole cadre of the staunchest Republicans and several hundreds of the most lobsterbacked civil servants ever known decided to throw away a composite of several HUNDRED years of loyal government service for literally NOTHING just to overthrow the Great One. Boy, these people must really HATE Man Tan

    You'd think it was the paranoid fantasy of a narcissist schizophrenic if you took off the mind controlling MAGA hat and were able to reason like a human being again.
     
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    I would call 41% support. He's a business insider but not a Washington insider, he's not a member of the political class. Plenty of presidents have had dodgy business dealings in the past, certainly Clinton but not whilst in office and that's what we're talking about.
     
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    But the point is none of them did, they've never actually made any substantial allegations against Trump. Maybe you should take off your mind-controlling I'm with her button and you might see that?
     
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    They have a transcript of him saying " I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it." and this is right after Zelensky says they need the Javelin missiles and just before Trump asks him to investigate Biden.

    Note the bolded "though"; right there; he is CLEARLY saying "I will NOT send you these missiles UNLESS you investigate Biden"

    Just how much more substantial do you want allegations to be?

    ADDITIONALLY, The Mueller Report also has 10 instances of Obstruction of Justice, a serious felony, which Mueller said would be indictable if the Justice Dept did not specifically forbid indicting a sitting President.

    Again, how much more do you want?.

    Trump could eat your children and you'd bring him catsup.
     
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    Oh bullshit too. He's been on the inside of political deals his whole life and they're how he made his money. He's the very epitome of the crony capitalist, you can't get a whole lot more inside than that
     
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    Oh he's a capitalist but not a politician, he's never held elected office or worked for the government.
     
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    All of which is supposition, he was reminding the Ukraine that the US had been good to them and then asked for a favour. He is not clearly saying anything, you're just taking the inference.

    Mueller said he had possible instances but not enough evidence on any of them, not least because you can't obstruct an investigation into a crime which didn't happen.

    How much more do I want? Any evidence whatsoever of any crime on behalf of Trump?
     

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