Is Erdogan making a Saddam level error????

DennisTate · Oct 16, 2019

When Saddam Hussein believed the advice to invade Kuwait......
he was obviously making an error up there with Hitler invading Russia......
or.... when Napoleon invaded Russia......
and we could make other comparisons but......

is President Erodgan of Turkey making a colossal error that will pretty much wipe out his military and perhaps get a huge percentage of government officials in Turkey killed??????

Well....... I think I did my duty.......
he had to be warned......

200 Years Ago, War Between Turkey and Russia Prophesied as Sign of Redemption
By Dr. Rivkah Lambert Adler November 29, 2015 , 1:00 pm

Russian President Vladimir Putin with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan After news conference following a meeting of High-Level Russian-Turkish Cooperation Council, Istanbul, Turkey. (Photo: Russian Presidential Press and Information Office www.kremlin.ru)

After being held as “a closely guarded secret” for over 200 years, Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, a great-grandson of the Vilna Gaon, shared the full prophecy publically for the first time in 2014. The text of the Vilna Gaon’s prophecy was reported by Rabbi Lazer Brody, an American-born Hasidic rabbi and teacher from Ashdod, Israel in March, 2014.

“When you hear that the Russians have captured the city of Crimea, you should know that the times of the Messiah have started, that his steps are being heard. And when you hear that the Russians have reached the city of Constantinople, you should put on your Shabbat (Sabbath) clothes and don’t take them off, because it means that the Messiah is about to come any minute.”

In this prophecy, the Vilna Gaon mentioned two signs of the imminent arrival of the Messiah – Russia capturing Crimea and Russia invading the Turkish city of Constantinople (now Istanbul). The first prophecy was fulfilled in 2014 when Russia annexed the Ukrainian territory of Crimea.

Current tensions between Russia and Turkey, including Turkey shooting down a Russian fighter jet on November 24, are setting the stage for the second sign, the Russian invasion of Istanbul, to occur soon.

The prophecy of the Vilna Gaon is strengthened by the existence of a similar prophecy, this one from the Jewish sage known as the Ba’al Shem Tov, the founder of the Hasidic Judaism. Like the Vilna Gaon, the Ba’al Shem Tov lived in the 18th century.

The Kloisenberger Rebbe, a 20th century Hasidic rabbi, echoed the Vilna Gaon’s second sign when he wrote “in the name of the Ba’al Shem Tov, when you see the Russian horse in Constantinople, a city in Turkey, you should know Moshiach (Messiah) is about to arrive.”
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DennisTate · Oct 17, 2019

I just got back an exceptional question on this:

"Why warn Erdogan?

He was in business with ISIS, transferring stolen Syrian oil by tanker trucks to a port (I forget the name) where Erdogan's son oversaw shipping it out by boat
ISIS was one of Turkey's proxy armies.

Now that Syria is allied with the Kurds, that should bring Russia along, too.
The joker card is the 50 or so tactical nukes stored at Incerlik.

At any point, Erdogan can make a play for them." (Anonymous)
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I guess I felt that he should be warned because he seems to be in the middle of the fulfillment of some very important events that were predicted centuries ago..... and I just never can predict when a major Islamic leader may begin to look at hierarchy of his scripture in a new way??????

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.

Sura 29:46;

Dispute not…with people of the Book;

And say ye, "We believe in what hath been sent down to us [Qur’an]

and what hath been sent down to you. [Old & New Testaments]

Our God and your God is one,..."

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Sura 2:136;

Say ye: "We believe in God,

and that which hath been sent down to us [Qur’an],

and that which hath been sent down to Abraham

and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [Joshua],

and in that was given to Moses, and to Jesus,

and that which was given to the prophets, from their Lord.

No difference do we make between any of them."

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Sura 46:12;

But before the Koran was the Book of Moses, a rule and a mercy;

and this Book confirmeth it (the Pentateuch)—in the Arabic tongue—

that those who are guilty of that wrong may be warned,

and as glad tidings to the doers of good."
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wgabrie · Oct 17, 2019

Yes it was a big mistake.

APACHERAT · Oct 17, 2019

Who remembers April Glaspie ?

She was President G.H. Bush's (41) Ambassador to Iraq.

Saddam Hussein took her messages to him as a nod by the Bush (41) administration to go ahead and invade Kuwait.

Well it was a mistake and Desert Storm is just history today.

April Catherine Glaspie (born April 26, 1942) is an American former diplomat and senior member of the Foreign Service, best known for her role in the events leading up to the Gulf War....

United States Ambassador to Iraq[edit]
Meetings with Saddam Hussein[
Glaspie's appointment as U.S. ambassador to Iraq followed a period from 1980 to 1989[1] during which the United States had given covert support to Iraq during its war with Iran.

Glaspie had her first meeting with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and his Deputy Prime Minister, Tariq Aziz, on July 25, 1990. In her telegram from July 25, 1990, to the Department of State, Glaspie summarized the meeting as follows:

Saddam told the ambassador on July 25 that Mubarak has arranged for Kuwaiti and Iraqi delegations to meet in Riyadh, and then on July 28, 29 or 30, the Kuwaiti crown prince will come to Baghdad for serious negotiations. "Nothing serious will happen" before then, Saddam had promised Mubarak.[2]

At least two transcripts of the meeting have been published. The State Department has not confirmed the accuracy of these transcripts, but Glaspie's cable has been released at the Bush Library and placed online by the Margaret Thatcher Foundation.

One version of the transcript has Glaspie saying:

We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship — not confrontation — regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?

Later the transcript has Glaspie saying:

We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.

Another version of the transcript (the one published in The New York Times on 23 September 1990) has Glaspie saying:

But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 1960s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi (Chedli Klibi, Secretary General of the Arab League) or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly.

When these purported transcripts were made public, Glaspie was accused of having given tacit approval for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, which took place on August 2, 1990. It was argued that Glaspie's statements that "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts" and that "the Kuwait issue is not associated with America" were interpreted by Saddam as giving free rein to handle his disputes with Kuwait as he saw fit. It was also argued that Saddam would not have invaded Kuwait had he been given an explicit warning that such an invasion would be met with force by the United States.[3][4] Journalist Edward Mortimer wrote in the New York Review of Books in November 1990:

It seems far more likely that Saddam Hussein went ahead with the invasion because he believed the US would not react with anything more than verbal condemnation. That was an inference he could well have drawn from his meeting with US Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25, and from statements by State Department officials in Washington at the same time publicly disavowing any US security commitments to Kuwait, but also from the success of both the Reagan and the Bush administrations in heading off attempts by the US Senate to impose sanctions on Iraq for previous breaches of international law... continue -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie
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DennisTate · Oct 17, 2019

APACHERAT said: ↑

Who remembers April Glaspie ?

She was President G.H. Bush's (41) Ambassador to Iraq.

Saddam Hussein took her messages to him as a nod by the Bush (41) administration to go ahead and invade Kuwait.

Well it was a mistake and Desert Storm is just history today.
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This was exceptionally interesting to me and I actually quoted this article in several discussions on other forums where I am into a topic somewhat similar to this.

At least President Trump attempted to clearly warn Prime Minister Erdogan about how serious his error might turn out to be in language that is difficult to misunderstand:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50080737

Turkey's Erdogan 'threw Trump's Syria letter in bin'

wgabrie said: ↑

Yes it was a big mistake.
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Yes..... I really get the feeling that P. M. Erdogan is going to go down in history as having made one of the biggest errors in 2019.... and frankly in this entire decade!

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