Is Gender Studies really a real science?

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by Ritter, Sep 13, 2016.

  1. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2013
    Messages:
    3,250
    Likes Received:
    374
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Sociology LOL.

    Sociology basically exists so that athletes have something to major in at University-LOL.
     
  2. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2012
    Messages:
    17,057
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    0
    As expected, attack the messenger and not the message.
     
  3. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,944
    Likes Received:
    3,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Ouch! :(
     
  4. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,944
    Likes Received:
    3,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It is still about demand and supply. "No one" wants to watch women's soccer and associations and investors therefore prioritise men's soccer. Right or wrong, sexist or not. It does not matter. It is a business; Both national- and club teams are companies that want profit.

    Why even hring up this example anyways? Totally cherry picked.
     
  5. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,944
    Likes Received:
    3,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Anyways. They have tried making women's football more attractive by giving them tighter kits to show off more "sexy lady shapes"(lol) and in that way hope more men will tune in. It has not helped one bit. Football fans prefer the men's game.

    Football is not like any other sport. It is a deeply rooted socio-cultural phenomena that is not solely about entertainment or medals. For the consumer/fan it is about identity, local/regional patriotism, family tradition, relaxation and entertainment. It used to be a men's game only and 100+ years of culture is not something you can change "just like that". Even if women actually do- or start to provide better football, majority of supporters will continue to watch men's football because it is simply not only about sport.

    I would still like to know if there are sinilar trends in more revenue-equal sports like tennis and athletism. Does Sharapova make less than Djokovic, for example?
     
  6. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2012
    Messages:
    17,057
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    0
    When the demand and supply outstrips the profit then it is plain bas business to keep pumping money into a bottomless pit.
     
  7. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2012
    Messages:
    17,057
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Of course that is true :roll:

    Suggest you do some historical research, women played more football than men until the FA banned women from playing at league grounds in 1921. Women may have been playing "football" for as long as the game has existed. Evidence shows that an ancient version of the game (Tsu Chu) was played by women during the Han Dynasty (25–220 CE).

    Not so much in tennis now, for all the major events the prize money is the same for men and women. A survey in 2014 found that out of the 35 sports that have prize money, 25 pay an equal amount to men and women. Those that do not are some cycling disciplines including the Tour de France, cliff diving, cricket, darts, football, golf, squash, surfing, snooker, and ski jumping.
     
  8. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,944
    Likes Received:
    3,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Don't roll your eyes like some dumb teenage girl. It is actually true that they did it.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/3402519.stm

    The game existed in various versions on various places, however the game as we know it today was modernised by, I believe, the Camebridge school. Sport was considered as a highly manly practice, ever since Ancient Greece. In tne Puritan era, sport was regarded as the ultimate substitute for the "dirty, promiscious and dangerous" act of masturbation. Football was the antidote, it was said. Gets testosterone boiling and all that...You should do your research.

    Besides this has nothing to do what I wrote. I simply stated that (men's) football has since the 1800's been a socio-cultura phenoma. Fact. Your response has f- all to do with this.

    Thank you.

    End of discussion.

    Dem revenues.
     
  9. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,944
    Likes Received:
    3,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What the f?
     
  10. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2012
    Messages:
    17,057
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'll roll my eyes as much as I like since you are not in charge.

    Did you actually read the link you supplied, they did not actually do it, it was a stupid idea from Sepp Blatter it never actually happened.

    I did, obviously you haven't, the modern game, until 1921, had as many female players and teams as the males had, in 1921 the FA banned female teams from using league grounds. The first all female game was in 1895 between the British Ladies North Team and the British Ladies South Team, and you are wrong concerning the modernisation of the game, that did not occur until 1863 with the formation of the FA, prior to that there were attempts to create a unified set of rules led by Cambridge University (1848), Sheffield FC (1855) and JC Thring (1862) none of which were adopted by all the teams, it was not until the FA moulded all of the existing rules into one set in 1863 that the majority of teams adopted them - there were a few teams that continued to play under Sheffield Rules of 1862 until 1878, and others dissented to form Rugby Union instead.

    Despite the fact that the womens game was more popular until 1921 than the mens .. so I am not surprised you want to ignore it.

    I see you have your masters hat on again, attempting to order me.

    Despite the reality that you still haven't been able to dispute the fact that the USA womens football team generate more revenue than the USA mens football team.
    The reason the FA gave for banning female teams from using league grounds was “…the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged."
     
  11. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2012
    Messages:
    17,057
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Tell you what I have an investment for you ... you put in $100,000 for this sport, it will be watched by millions, with lucrative sponsorship etc .. however it won't actually make any money, in fact it will make a loss, or you can invest your $100,000 in another sports venture where it won't be watched by as many people, the sponsorship deals won't be as good .. but, you will make a decent return on your investment .. by your logic you would invest in the first one and lose your money instead of the second one where you would make a profit :roll:
     
  12. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,944
    Likes Received:
    3,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Who cares.

    What point are you trying to make? All I did was stating the very fact that the consumption of men's football is a very old socio-cultural phenomena that will be very hard to change "just like that"- The supporters will be very hard to convince to start watching women's football.

    Of course. Your crap does not make any sense and even if it is actually true that US' women bring in more than the men, but still the female players earn less, it is the exception that confirms the rule. In every other case it is very obvious that the men's sides bring in more and therefore earn more.

    Honestly, I could not care less. Talking about American soccer puts me to sleep.

    [QUOTE(]The reason the FA gave for banning female teams from using league grounds was “…the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged."[/QUOTE]
    OK. Soooo?

    Today there are female teams in England, with tbeir own league and they do not even bring in anything near to what the EPL brings in and thereby the females are paid less. Totally fair.
     

Share This Page