Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

"But like many Christians you have no interest in the truth."___Ronald Hillman
Post 267 in this thread.

My view is that's why you don't enjoy any lengthy discussions.
The truth is you're no fun to talk to. Your posts are no fun
to read. They are packed with insults and unhappiness.
With regard to Christians, you're fond of posting "they don't
come here to discuss, they come here to preach" -- but when
any Christian tries to have a discussion or conversation with
you, you immediately "fly into a rage" and start postings insults
and accusations. You have no more intention of carrying on a
serious discussion with any Christian -- than I have of going
to the Moon. You're here to mock and ridicule and insult.

"But like many Christians you have no interest in the truth."___Ronald Hillman
Post 267 in this thread.

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Again, I have no interest in discussing any subject with you.



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Certainly many people pray for the reasons you listed above, they do so privately, discretely or in a religious surrounding. However when prayers are used on an internet forum in the context this was, then I think it is safe to say that the motives are not those you listed above, often it is condescending to the relevant audience and comes across as virtue signaling. I would not walk into a church and mock someone praying or call it a magic spell, however praying on a public forum is no different from a gypsy cursing me for not buying her flowers! Magic all of it!

Edit, neither would I mock someone who said they prayed for people who had been involved in a disaster etc, and my posts in the political part of the forum show this.

 

Yes I got the message and you responded as I have indicated you normally do by simply attacking the poster and not the post. I accept and understand you do not wish to debate me but simply throw you humorous little insults around, hope it makes you feel better!

We can play this all day!

 

I agree. He doesn't enjoy any lengthy discussions. The truth is he's no fun to talk to. His posts are no fun
to read. They are packed with insults and unhappiness. He comes here only to preach and when anyone tries to have a discussion or conversation with him, he immediately flies into a rage and starts postings personal insults and personal accusations. He has no intention of carrying on a serious discussion.

 

Magic is an attempt to commit a deception usually for some kind of personal gain or entertainment, most people who practice magic do so up front and we are all aware that the rabbit was not really in the hat, I did not really know what card you were thinking of. Magic then is honest in its way. People who write prayers on an internet forum are not doing so out of superstition in my opinion, they are virtue signaling at best. So whilst I agree with you that prayers can be caused by superstition or faith I do not think we were dealing with that in this case.

 

Yes. But you’ve said that prayers and magic are akin. I don’t see how that is true.

Of course. I only mean that it is fundamentally superstition that makes them believe that prayers have any power at all except perhaps in the sense that it affords the prayer-maker him/herself the benefits of meditation.

Probably.

 

RoccoR Wrote:
"IF the Supreme Being is all knowledgeable (Omniscience) THEN
it follows that if the Supreme Being knows today, what action I will
take tomorrow and the Supreme Beings knowledge is infallible,
then I have no choice tomorrow to do anything other than to
make the choice that the Supreme Being knew to be true.

IF the Supreme Being is all knowledgeable (Omniscience)
THEN it follows that the Supreme Being's creation can only
do what the Supreme Being included in the creations
capabilities. And the Supreme Being knows today, what
action I will take in the future, then in the future, I have
no choice than to function accordingly."___RoccoR

JAG Replies:
Yes it is true that since God is Omniscient and knows
the future and knows what you will choose to do, then
you will do that which He knows that you will do.

But , , ,
that does NOT mean that you did not freely choose
to do that which He knew you would do.

Here we need to understand what Free Will means.

Free Will means that there is no Force external to you,
that forces you to do, that which you do not want to do.

God merely knowing what you will choose to do, does
not mean that God forces you to do, that which He knew
you would choose to do. Nor does it mean that you did
not want to do it. You did want to do it. Your Free Will
freely chose to do whatever you did.

Repeat , , ,
Free Will means that there is no Force outside of you,
that is forcing or coercing you into choosing to do that
which is against what you want to do. The fact that God
knows what you will choose to do, does not mean that
there was any Force-Outside-Of-You coercing you to
do that which God knew you would choose to do.

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Secular , , ,
Free Will is a secular truth, and not only a religious truth;
How so?
Because all of Civilized Humanity recognizes the legitimacy
of the institution of Free Will and has legislated Free Will
into law.

Henry: Your Honor, yes it is true that I robbed that bank
and in the process I killed three bank tellers, but Your
Honor, God is Omniscient and God knew I would rob
the bank and kill those three tellers, so Your Honor its
not my fault that I committed this crime, I merely did
what God knew I would do.

The Judge: Oh okay, I understand. Thanks for explaining.
Case dismissed.

So?
So all this talk about Free Will NOT being a true, valid,
and legitimate defense regarding The Problem Of Evil
is irrational and belongs in the basement below the
basement of unproductive totally-useless abstract
philosophical academic speculations.

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However my view is that the air-tight solid truth
demonstrated in the conversation between
Henry and The Judge, will be dismissed as
nonsense and the irrational assault on the
institution of Free Will as a legitimate defense
will continue as if Henry and The Judge had
never been presented. Why? Because sinful
man is NOT going to ever give up blaming God
for the evil in the world -- and thereby excusing
himself for his own Free Will evil choices.

The Coming Judgment , , ,
One last point: Not only does all of Civilized Law
recognize Free Will as a legitimate explanation of
human evil choices, but so does God and the Bible
and God's laws will be enforced at The Judgment
just as man's laws are enforced in the courts. What
does that mean? It means that your Free Will choices
will determine your Eternal destiny.

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RE:: Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.
Le Chef, et al,

BLUF: Yes, there is a lot of reasonableness in this.

(COMMENT)

A Sunday Christian Church Service is the equivalent of a Ritual in terms of Magic. And withing a service or ritual both have "prayers" involved.

Any full magick ritual can be reduced to these stages:

1) visualization;
2) prayer;
3) ritual.
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Basic Magick Circle Invocation of God or Goddess:

Opening the Magic Ritual:

I thank Gaia for the power she have given me
A channel for her love is what I be.
I return to her the gift she had given me.
I thank her for the power she lent to me for this working.
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Passsage from the Catholic Prayer to the Holy Spirit

Holy Spirit of light and love, you are the substantial love of the Father and the Son; hear my prayer. Bounteous bestower of most precious gifts, grant me a strong and living faith which makes me accept all revealed truths and shape my conduct in accord with them.
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Circle Invocation for a Magic Ritual:

I ask you as your child To open me to your mystic light,
And allow me to channel your power through me.
I pray to watch over me and my circle
And be with me in my sacred right.
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Passsage from the Catholic Prayer to the Holy Spirit:

Please, Lord, give me the strength that I need to face today. I don't have to worry about tomorrow.
If you just give me the strength that I need today that is all I need.
Keep me from sinning during this trial. Instead, help me to keep my eyes on you. You are the Holy Lord, and all of my hope rests in you.
Thank you for hearing my prayer.
In Jesus' name. Amen.
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In the Book of Solomon (Notary Art of Solomon: Ars Notoria) there are a couple of striking passages of note in the very first oration:

I humbly implore and beseech, that thou
will mercifully, with the Father,
illustrate my Mind with the beams of thy
holy Spirit, that I may be able to come and attain to
the perfection of this most holy Art;​

Just my observation on the matter...

Most Respectfully,
R

 

I can agree that the Sunday Christian Church Service is the equivalent of a ritual in terms of Magic but I think the word “magic” has been awarded a great measure of respectability now that “magicians” have stepped out of the shadows and come clean, admitting it’s all for the purpose of entertainment.

The Christian ritual, however, is still holding its’ superstitious rituals in mysticism and wielding it above our heads like a sword with the threat of eternal suffering in hell if we do not fall upon our knees and swear both obedience and a percentage of our hard-earned income. So, I prefer not calling Christianity a cult of magic but rather just plain hocus-pocus.

 

I don't disagree at all that prayer is abused or misused. But a spell? That sound malevolent

 

Only you and the almighty know if your prayer was proper. We of course cannot know or judge. I have to say that publicizing a prayer tarnishes it. They aren't meant for mortals to hear, are they?

 

No argument. But not all prayers are church services, and vice versa.

 

Miscellaneous Points:
What follows may strike you as insanity.
But I did title it Miscellaneous Points.
Sincerely offered prayers can be balm for the soul.
The older we get the more comforting balm we need.
Human warmth-expressed can encourage the human spirit.
I think our Intellects often get in the way of our hearts.
I enjoy writing my thoughts on "paper." This is why I am writing these points.
The human Intellect is not as warm as the human Heart.
The human Intellect can be a cold-hearted monster.
The human Intellect can be one cause of spiritual wreckage.
John 3:16's "perish" ought to be carefully considered.
The intellectual witticisms of Voltaire will not be a comfort to me on my Death Bed.
If I die from natural causes there will come a time when my Doctor shakes his head and walks away.
At this time I will need a Friend and a Savior.
So will everybody else who lays on their Death Bed.
Death is one common denominator that ought to unite humans, but it does not.
Humans are a killer species. Human history is filled with young dead people.
The hate runs thick and strong on the Internet.
The hate runs thick and strong in the streets of America as I write this post.
The Internet At Large is saturated with Cannibals, metaphorically speaking.
The hate runs thick and strong on the Internet At Large.
The Internet At Large is so saturated with hate that the FBI regularly reads threads in Social Media.
The hate runs thick, strong, and steady in Washington D.C.
The ancients killed each with shape metal objects.
The moderns, 21st Century, "kill" each other with their sharp words.
Reputations are destroyed. People are fired from their jobs --- "We're gonna get you."
"You disagree with me, I don't like that. I want you destroyed", many say.
There is very little Love in threads inside Thread World on the Internet At Large.
The World seems to never tire of Conflict and Hostility.
Offers of Kindness are often rewarded with Mockery and Ridicule.
Maybe a tarnished prayer is better than no prayer at all?
The principle of "Do No Harm" is salve for the soul.
"May the Lord bless you. May the Lord keep you safe" is Harmless.
"May the Lord be gracious unto you. May the Lord protect you" is Good.
"May the Lord protect all those you love" is even Better.
Well that was a few miscellaneous thoughts.
Is that crazy stuff up there? Maybe it is.
"You may be right. I may be crazy. But it just might be a Lunatic you're looking for."___Billy Joel {song}
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Not at all.

 

And you accuse others of being unhappy, priceless!

 

"But like many Christians you have no interest in the truth."___Ronald Hillman
Post 267 in this thread.

My view is that's why you don't enjoy any lengthy discussions.
The truth is you're no fun to talk to. Your posts are no fun
to read. They are packed with insults and unhappiness.
With regard to Christians, you're fond of posting "they don't
come here to discuss, they come here to preach" -- but when
any Christian tries to have a discussion or conversation with
you, you immediately "fly into a rage" and start postings insults
and accusations. You have no more intention of carrying on a
serious discussion with any Christian -- than I have of going
to the Moon. You're here to mock and ridicule and insult.

"But like many Christians you have no interest in the truth."___Ronald Hillman
Post 267 in this thread.

______

Again, I have no interest in discussing any subject with you.



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Yes I got the message and you responded as I have indicated you normally do by simply attacking the poster and not the post. I accept and understand you do not wish to debate me but simply throw you humorous little insults around, hope it makes you feel better!

We can play this all day!

 

Exactly correct. And we will.
However , , ,
If you leave me alone and I will leave you alone.
That's called "Live And Let Live."

 

Nope, I will continue to rebutt your posts, I really do not care about you, just the arguments you put forward.

 

"But like many Christians you have no interest in the truth."___Ronald Hillman
Post 267 in this thread.

My view is that's why you don't enjoy any lengthy discussions.
The truth is you're no fun to talk to. Your posts are no fun
to read. They are packed with insults and unhappiness.
With regard to Christians, you're fond of posting "they don't
come here to discuss, they come here to preach" -- but when
any Christian tries to have a discussion or conversation with
you, you immediately "fly into a rage" and start postings insults
and accusations. You have no more intention of carrying on a
serious discussion with any Christian -- than I have of going
to the Moon. You're here to mock and ridicule and insult.

"But like many Christians you have no interest in the truth."___Ronald Hillman
Post 267 in this thread.

______

Again, I have no interest in discussing any subject with you.



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Yes I got the message and you responded as I have indicated you normally do by simply attacking the poster and not the post. I accept and understand you do not wish to debate me but simply throw you humorous little insults around, hope it makes you feel better!

We can play this all day!

 

But you don't rebut my arguments.
What you do is make ugly unfriendly remarks about the poster and
about Christians and about Christianity.

I wrote a post to Le Chef and you quoted it and wrote underneath
the post this:
"And you accuse others of being unhappy, priceless!"___Ronald Hillman
That was ABOUT ME and not about my argument. In fact , , ,

The post you quoted did not even have any arguments in it. It was nothing
more than a friendly post to a very polite man that is fun to talk to. But
you couldn't "leave it alone" -- and posted this under my post:
"And you accuse others of being unhappy, priceless!"___Ronald Hillman

Writing that is not rebutting my arguments, rather it is your usual tactic
of making posts belittling the poster or belittling Christians or belittling
Christianity.

This below tells us a lot:
"I really do not care about you"___Ronald Hillman

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I am reducing my participation in this thread because it is non-productive.
I don't enjoy the constant hostility and ugliness.
I plan, for the most part. to basically ignore what you post.




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Please don't. It's very boring to the rest of us.

 

You are right.
I hadn't thought about that.
And my apologies for my part in it.
I'm going to stop it.
And only respond to substance when I feel I need to.

 

RE:: Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.
Le Chef, et al,

BLUF: Yes, I agree, given the limited dissemination of knowledge and information on the subject, I agree that it might "sound like" something malevolent. But, there is something about the intent and purpose of a "spell" that makes the determination.

(COMMENT)

Amulets, Talisman, Psalms, Sigils, Ruins, and Iconic Medals are almost always for beneficial or some sort of protection. A very, very, common device is the St Christopher Medal.

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The prayers of a "rosary" is to a supernational being in the same way as a "talisman" is dependent on a supernational power. All that supernatural means is "attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature."

The original purposes of magical phrases and words (AKA: Spells) was the protection of people and property. It involves the prevention of something from happening or halting an action already at work—a fire or the effects of a curse, projectiles (arrows, then bullets) or the bite of bladed weapons.​

Most Respectfully,
R