Is Having A Lawful a Government A Civil Right?

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Is Having A Lawful a Government A Civil Right?

  1. Yes, lawfulness of government is implied by the republic and constitution over it as a right.

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  2. Only the people with their unity or majority can make the government lawful.

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  3. Depending on the unlawfulness, many fundamental rights could be violated, but unknown.

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  4. It is unlawful for states citizens to deny or ignore evidence that government is unlawful.

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  1. AlNewman

    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    They are one and the same, the only difference being comprehension, the bottom line did you even go to trial or was the matter summarily dismissed?
     
  2. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

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  3. AlNewman

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    I would say that would apply to yourself not I. You are under the impression there even was a legal action but from your filing there was none. In your lack of legal knowledge, you somehow believed you had some kind of criminal action with many of the elements of a criminal action missing. Your filing was so flagrantly erred that the courts reassigned it to a civil matter, one that still confuses you, with a dismissal for lack of a filing fee. However, if the fee had been paid, it would not only have been dismissed but would have incurred a flurry of countersuits where you would have received the justice you deserved.



    Is this a matter of no comprehension or just a dishonest act? Let's bring the whole thing back into context. Seems it is yourself, as usual, having a problem with natural law. And your reply:


    A repeat of what was challenged. So let's ask again, even though I doubt you can answer now either, what natural law are YOU talking about?
     
  4. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

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    My filing was a legal action. Your ignorance is astounding. My legal action was met with continued concealment of treason by intentional refusal to recognize US code.

    This is the 2010 disclosure I made of my knowledge of mass murder and treason.
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    This is the clerks notice that the filing originally done in the criminal clerks office as "IN RE:" miscellaneous file was refiled as a civil action by judge manual real, without my authorization, indirectly concealing treason when filing fees are not paid.
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    The refiled face page. Note that the handwritten note under the file stamp describing "38 page" has been removed.
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  5. AlNewman

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    Ignorance is but those that choose to ignore what is so evident, much like your whole argument. But just to drive the spike in a little deeper let's define this. Being you are claiming some sort of "legal" bull, let's go to a legal dictionary, my ever present Black's 4th.

    Surprise, surprise, no such thing as "legal action" so let's break it all down:


    Under legal, where you trying to file in a court of law or a court of equity (see legal #3)? And just which part of "action" are you trying to proceed?

    Knowledge, what knowledge? Did you ever testify in court, under oath of perjury and be cross-examined by any defendant? Of course not, you never made it to court, just a frivolous filing. Anything said was all hearsay based on circumstantial information and not evidence. Even if you managed to actually get a case started, all your "so called" evidence would of been declared inadmissible.

    It would appear your knowledge of law is minimal at best, even your caption is erred. But it seems your whining is unlimited, going on now for more than six years.

    Also, you probably bored the judge to death with your caption, such that their was total rejection of the case. More to follow.

    You have no clue as to how a court system works. The court clerk's office is the recorder of the court, paid by fees for the services rendered. You are asking the clerk to work for you denying the clerk's right to be paid. If you win a case, then you may demand costs for the losing party, the defendant if you filed as a plaintiff. You have the gall to say I know nothing which in your case would be relative as you are absolutely clueless.


    Why have you never filed the second page? You keep on and on and on and on with the same tired crap. But I see that this forum is not the only place that you keep this up. By your own admission:

    Spamming another forum with the same crap, thread after thread after thread until you are banned, from your site.
     
  6. danielpalos

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    I believe we should abolish the drug war, and abolish a lack of equal protection of the law regarding the concept of employment at will in our at-will employment States,
     
  7. AlNewman

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    Why stop there?
     
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    Ok; let's abolish our wars on crime, and terror as well, and end our income tax.
     
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    Who has a social contract? Is it written up somewhere? Can we see it? And don't tell me that it's the Constitution. The current government (and I mean the US government from today and going back at least 150 years) isn't observing it, so why should anyone else?
     
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    Yes, it is our State and federal Constitutions.

     
  11. AlNewman

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    That would improve things but still a very slow start. How about we just do one thing, deny authority?
     
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    Why stop at 150, let's go all the way to 240. This nation declared and fought for freedom of oppression from one tyrant but ignored the other 13. Then those 13 bound the people into a federal for mutual defense, as much as against each other as external threats from Europe, especially Spain, England and France.

    Then in a totally illegal action, the elites of the day wrote a document to bind all into the tyranny we see today. A total travesty made more so by a population ignorant of what freedom stands for. So much so that they all declare we are a free nation while being coerced to pay for their own entrapment.
     
  13. AlNewman

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    And what makes you think those apply to anyone? Are you one of the believers that somehow justify enslavement because some supposed representative claims the authority to control you by calling it law? Do you condone their authority to rob you at the point of a gun because they call it taxes?

    As to FDR, one of the biggest crooks this country has ever known, a few of his highlights:


    And it just gets worse from there. Thankfully he died or we could have had a total tyrannical dictatorship back then.

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    which authority?

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    They apply to the militia of the United States and of the several States.
     
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    Son, go mow the lawn and let the grownups talk.
     
  16. AlNewman

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    I can't hear you, is that babble? Can you text louder?
     
  17. AlNewman

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    Which? Do you have a list of those you perceive to be a superior class above you that you want to keep?

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    And what evidence do you have that that is anywhere near true?
     
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    The state creates the laws and enforces it, and so can be above the law. Nothing can make it lawful except for by a group using force possibly. Democracy won't do it, the government keeps secrets all the time and lies to the public to keep us from thinking differently. Actually, overthrowing the government would be the best option.
    The government grants rights, so they can take them away, wouldn't want to live under something like that.
    The state uses force to get us to obey, it must deceive us and hide the truth.
     
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    Lawful authority is always a good place to start.

    You can take it to court.
     
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    Have you ever heard the term "We The People"? because "We The Government" doesn't exist...

    We have a Constitution and Bill of Rights and our government is made up by the people for the people hence are subject to the same laws that Joe down the block is subject to.

    It's not about having a "lawful government' it's about holding the elitists who believe they're above the law accountable when they break the law, which is difficult when they're usually the ones investigating themselves.

    What we have are a bunch of aristocrats and many in this country seem not to mind if these (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s break the law of the land as long as these aristocrats promote their tyrannical agenda..... This is why I hate both progressives and republicans because both have authoritarian agendas.
     
  21. ChristopherABrown

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    Hmm, revolutionary passion, indignation at the powerful maintaining their position by walking on the rest of us.

    It is ours to have rightful tyranny of the masses through our agreement upon dominant natural law, in this case, the most prime constitutional intent which can be defined. The right to alter or abolish government, or those posing as our government, who are destructive to unalienable rights.

    And of course, in American, freedom of speech has the formal legal purpose of informing our masses of the destruction, then unifying and organizing to lawfully alter or abolish. But . . . that is currently a "non enumerated right". Accordingly, we need to agree upon it formally, overtly, lawfully, and see that it is enumerated and USED.
     
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    Oh it is a right, it's called the Second Amendment.
     
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    I think prohibition laws are unlawful and cause the public to lose respect for police and causes police to lose respect for citizens
     
  24. ChristopherABrown

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    I would agree, but I would point out that education into the destructive aspects of substances and other things cause citizens self destruction, when they really do not want that. But the cycle of lost respect is quite evident in history.

    It is pretty clear to me that human society in America has become so controlled into ignorance and indulgence that if some do not rise above the ignorance and manipulation foisted by media, to institute a new form of demand for independence based in strict common sense, that a loss of rights and freedoms will precede a descent into the widespread wars of controlling elite and their competitions until extinction is self enforced.
     
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    agree, addiction of substances is a problem, but it's just as much a problem with the substance is legal as when it's not

    the problem is you make it also a crime for non-addicts

    what we should really do is consider it a medical problem in need of treatment and only criminal if one does something Criminal while on drugs, like reckless driving
     

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