Is health care a right or a privelege?

The first fact that needs to be understood is that health care is a National Security Issue..........the health of a nation is critical....not only to its future but its present day security...sick people weaken a nation and the military.

Strong healthy people make a nation stronger....that is indisputable.

Yet too many act like health care is something individuals themselves are responsible for. How can anyone unemployed and or working for low wages provide health care for their family or even just for themselves....impossible... and we have millions and millions in that category.

Thus it is ridiculous and foolish beyond comprehension that America does not face up to this National Calamity.

Even without Nationalized health care there is much the Government could do to help poor people get good health care...aka free neighborhood clinics, mobile health clinics, education on preventative health measures etc.

The bottom line we are falling very short of insuring adequate health care for our citizens...and this without question damages our National Security.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-agin/reality-check-national-he_b_248410.html

 

Its should be a right but currently it is not

 

Health insurance (what is really the issue) is a human right but not a natural right. Many human rights require violating natural rights to implement.

 

That's a really silly argument.

Look, healthcare is certainly not a "right", nobody has a right for someone else to do something for you. Why is this the argument we're having. The question that should be asked is: Are we willing to allow people to die for want of healthcare? Are we willing to let people go bankrupt for want of health insurance?

 

There is no distinction between the two in US law

 

Currently it is not and in fact never has been. The elites, the wealthy and even too many in the middle class have long blamed the poor themselves for being without health coverage. Insane...what sort of inhumane thoughts prevent so many from understanding the necessity of good health care for all...irregardless of their personal or financial situation.

Consider this...what if a poor person contracts a very contagious disease....perhaps he hangs out on the corner at wall street...is he not endangering very wealthy people of course...now multiply one poor person with out health care by millions because there are millions and millions of them...it is not rocket science.

 

No human rights are enshrined in the Constitution like health care or affordable housing.

 

We should not get hung up on semantics....this is a very simple problem and easy to understand....a nation benefits from a healthy populance....the next question should be how to implement it?

 

Does anyone believe the constitution came down from heaven aka it is a perfect document?...written in a time when most doctors were quacks and few could even afford them.

It is known and well known that
Cuba a exceedinglly poor country has better health care than we do...but even if you do not believe that...the reality of America is that we could devise a health care system for all....what is holding us back? I say powerful interests more interested in making profits and huge profits than they are in the health care of the citizenry.

 

Single payer. That is easy

 

Nothing in the constitution from preventing healthcare to be made a right

 

Evidently it was written by people much more well-versed and better read that our current Congress critters and I would say many of the forum members.

 

You don't make rights, only third world countries dictate what citizens rights are.

 

The ninth amendment is my favorite.....literally anything COULD be a right

 

No we make rights in the US

 

Liberal logic 101.

 

Thanks for proving my point about forum members.

 

Laws can be changed. Though this is not really a legal matter....it is a matter of morality, greed and the ignorance of so many ...not understanding the importance of good health care for all.

Sick people pose a danger for the whole community and a obvious threat to our National Security.

 

The consequences of a lack of health care go far beyond what you suggest.

 

No, you just don't understand the Amendment. It was written to make it clear that the limits placed on the government by the Bill of Rights were NOT the outer boundary of limits. Alexander Hamilton and James Madison were against the Bill of Rights from the beginning, because it seems to suggest that the government can do anything it wants as long as those specific rights are not infringed.

And indeed most Americans think of the Bill of Rights as the most important part of the Constitution, not concerning themselves with concerns like the specific enumeration of powers.

Ironically, it was the Anti-Federalists who are responsible for the growth of the Federal government's power.

 

There is no such thing as natural rights. All rights are man made, and agreed upon by society.

 

Again, thanks for proving my point about some of the forum members.

 

9th amendment

 

That some of us live in reality? Happy to oblige.

There is no such thing as natural rights. Only legal/statutory/constitutional rights.

 

I do understand the amendment quite clearly. Anything can be a right if we declare it so