Is health care a right or a privelege?

Yep, like Ebola.

 

Drs earn $50 approx per month. They are altruistic. Just a different system.
https://theconversation.com/is-the-cuban-healthcare-system-really-as-great-as-people-claim-69526

 

It does when you have to look outside the country to find not just the specialist but the equipment as well.

 

just failed at showing.......

 

the intellectually shallow argument that law defines rights. That's like a fourth grade essay, maybe

 

Law does define rights. Duh

 

As if legislators can define what's just and unjust.

 

The law of the land defines which rights can never be taken and which powers are granted to the government by the people.

 

As defined by the people

 

And all the while this was happening, those slaves had no right to freedom?

 

You mean as opposed to a capitalist heaven where the poor and sick are simply tossed in the trash like a moldy slice of cheese?

Cuba is not the only country with a health care system that rates far above the US. The thing they all share is not socialism, it is a decision, on the part of its people, to care for its people.

 

Did it?

Prior to the inception of Medicare the life expectancy of US citizens was 66 years. Today it is around 78 years.
Infant mortality in the US has dropped from 26 to 6 from 1950 to 2010.

The socialization of parts of the healthcare system has produced great results in all measures that count.

 

The cost? I thought that was considered a measure that counts, but I guess not.

The fact is, a lot of people just make unsubstantiated statements like "Healthcare is a right!" and "universal healthcare is good!" and those statements are easily disregarded and put on the same scrap heap of people who claim they are Napoleon.

When will those statements be backed up with reason, logic, and evidence? Never is my guess.

 

cost? Since you insist...

The US pays 10 dollars to 1 dollar Cuba pays for healthcare with nearly identical outcomes.
The US pays more as a percentage of GDP for healthcare than virtually any First World country.

These costs are not the result of socialization of medicine. They are the result of the corporatization of medicine.

 

Non sequitur.


You are conflating advances in technology, treatment and medication with socialization of healthcare. They have nothing to do with one another.

 

Then you know where to go to when you need healthcare. Or you can do like Jerry Brown wants which is to provide a universal healthcare insurance program to all CA residents.

So long as I don't live where that's being implemented, knock yourself out.

 

This question goes unanswered by rahl. To answer honestly dismantles his claims of the nonexistence of natural rights.

 

You're trying to compare the cost of living in Cuba with the cost of living in the US?

 

Which is one of several reasons why Romneycare wasn't Obamacare.

 

Tell that to the parent who had to pay $600 for an epipen that is, in effect, 40 year old technology.

The corporatization of health care and the massive increases in health care costs do, in fact, coincide.

 

No, comparing the cost of healthcare at the national level.

The cost and the near equal outcomes in Cuba are DESPITE the poverty. The implication being that poverty, in and of itself, is not a determinant of health outcomes, health care availability is.

 

KABOOM. Your argument destroyed and that's all you have left.

 

Again, that is non sequitur. The cause of that, btw, was Government regulation.

You are not on your own topic. You conflated issues.

 

:facepalm:

You attempted to claim 10:1 in expenditure. You are not making intelligent points.

 

You have a choice of going to Cuba or setting up something in your own state.

Where in that do you recognize an argument?