Is IMPEACHMENT just a Last Ditch Firewall ?

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  1. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The alleged whistleblower, Eric Ciaramella, was the NSC’s Ukraine guy at the White House and allegedly worked with Joe Biden when Biden was the point man on Ukraine while all this was going on, including all the questions about Burisma and Hunter Biden. Also when Biden said he threatened to withhold aid unless Ukraine fired the prosecutor who has sworn under oath in an affidavit that he was investigating Burisma. The prosecutor has said that he was fired because of Biden and that he was, in fact, looking into Burisma. So what did the whistleblower know and when did he know it?

    Did the whistleblower participate in an effort by VP Biden to call the President of the Ukraine (Poroshenko) after Burisma owners’ houses were raided by Ukrainian authorities?

    — Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) November 13, 2019

    Did VP Biden talk to Ukrainian President Poroshenko about prosecutors efforts to investigate Burisma, the gas company where Hunter Biden served as a board member?

    — Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) November 13, 2019

    And who else has a reason to cry about Trump's request ??? 72150.jpg
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So is the question not just that Ciaramella was an Obama holdover that was part of the cabal that wanted Trump out, but that he might also have information on actions that would have been under investigation? And might that be why suddenly he’s a “whistleblower?”

    And is he being withheld now, not just because of his contacts with Schiff and his staff and his prior connections to the Obama administration, but because he might be asked about any actions he might have taken or been aware of?


    Shiff is probably aware that he too could now be charged with obstruction of justice, or conspiracy, or even sedition if he doesn't cooperate with the Senate and/or DOJ.

    Since the Dems are all in on Impeachment, at some point the dam is now likely to break..........
     
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    I think the question is who urged whom to obtain the classified information in the telephone call and leak it.
     
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    No wonder Pelosi opposed the impeachment.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look at the time line when she decided to go all in...

    She was all ready to claim that Trump was covering stuff up because they all thought that he wouldn't release the transcript.

    And then she didn't even wait to find out what was in the transcript. She probably already knew because Schiff already knew from his staffers.
     
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    First ditch. The dem clown show has been preaching impeachment since 2016.
     
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    Everything they've done to Trump since his election has been really desperate attempts to cover up the vast corruption of the deep state. You know the second Trump stepped into the White House he got the goods on all of them and since they've all been ******** their pants. It's likely they won't stop and I fear they'll up the ante, I really fear for the president, they're engaged in Soviet tactics now.
     
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    Sure, it's a last ditch attempt to hurt his chances next year, but I suspect there's something else going on. That former Ukraine ambassador they had on the stand the other day is supposed to have given a Ukraine prosecutor a list of people he isn't to prosecute.

    The democrats can spin their nonsense about bribery and whatever, but there's something else going on here, and the Russian conspiracy, and now the Ukraine conspiracy might be connected. I don't know what exactly, but Biden bribing Ukraine to fire a prosecutor and now this, and his son getting all that money just seems to be connected to something.

    What struck me as odd about that former ambassador being called to testify about how her feelings were hurt, and how absolutely miserable her life has been as an ambassador having to uproot her life, and everybody singing her praises as if she is mother Theresa herself makes me think there's a lot of really rank sewage under the BS the democrats and media have been shoveling.

    Another thing that struck me as odd were Schiff's eyes. That guy is either definitely not off his meds, or its true what they say about the lizard people.
     
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    Shokin was as corrupt as they come. That affidavit was in support of one of the biggest lowlife oligarchs and noted Bratva member in ukraine.

    Shokin did not prosecute the case against Burisma, it was dormant as documents have confirmed. The actual alleged wrongdoing at Burisma occurred long before Bo Biden was hired for the board.

    Joe Biden didn't fire Shokin, it took a act of parliament 3 months later to get rid of him. the IMF, the EU and the ERBD also called for the cretin to be gone.

    the case against Burisma was for actions PRIOR to Bo Biden's tenure, they hired him in part because they were trying to "clean up their act" at least from an image/brand perspective.

    But the issue of the day isn't about Biden, its about Trump and his sleazy unethical lying corrupt actions and those of his toadies (Rudy, Barr, et.al) and their minions. He has desecrated the office to the delight of so many good ol' murkin patriots.
     
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    yawwwwn!

    Look dude, this thread is about democrats and this weird lemming-like waltz to the edge of irrelevancy. The "dirty donald is dumb" thread is somewhere else. Maybe do a search for "russian conspiracy" or perhaps "mueller report spells the end of Trump's presidency". It's probably over there somewhere.

    btw: how is that ol' mueller report coming along? Trump will be impeached any day once the dems prove collusion with Putin. lol!
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While this is a technically a correct statement, Biden sure did ask for exactly what he wanted to see happen and actually stated what the price tag would be.

    In contrast, Trump never stated the second aspect of what would constitute a bribe like Biden specifically did. Trump simply asked for help. An actual bribery charge requires the second aspect to be documented.


    But aside from Biden, there sure is a lot of panic about Trump now looking into the actions of the DNC, Crowdstrike, and how much the Ukraine was involved with trying to impact the 2016 election.

    Not to mention how much our own intelligence community was misusing foreign intelligence assets to spy on and try to frame members of the Trump campaign and presidency.

    At this point it isn't a matter of, "if," shady and illegal things were happening. It is a matter of just how fare reaching the corruption spread.
     
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    Impeachment is one of many things the deep state will try to wrest back its 'progress' toward globalism. Trump is the figurehead for the resistance to global technocratic neofeudalism, and the elites will do anything to get their thrones.
     
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    I think this is all very true. But a case in point: Justice would be hard pressed to take any action against Schiff because in most respects congressmen are, as they say, above the law.... just as the president is in most respects.
     
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    How else would you get that Ukrainian aid money into your bank account?
     
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    If this was all a deep state coup, you would think the GOP could rally people around their "cause" and win some elections. The opposite has happened. There are now Democrat governors in Louisiana and Kentucky and Virginia has gone solidly blue. The polling has also been terrible for Trump. Fox News polling (and others) has him losing to all sorts of wacky liberals in places like Georgia.

    Whatever the GOP is trying to sell, voters don't seem to be buying it.

    There are two pivotal days coming up: Tuesday and Wednesday. Tuesday, Sondland will either lay the whole scheme bare or plead the fifth.
    "I now recall speaking individually with Mr. (Andriy) Yermak, where I said resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks," - Sondland.

    Wednesday, Lt. Colonel Vinland will get up there, under oath in his dress blues and purple heart, and bury the knife in Trump.
     
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    1. Deposit 1.8 billion taxpayer "aid" dollars into bank owned by corrupt oligarch who is also an executive in an energy company.
    2. Accounting error causes 1.8 billion to "disappear".
    3. Have corrupt oligarch hire son to no-show position in energy company, pay him exorbitant salary.
    4. Funnel portion of missing 1.8 billion into family coffers.
    5. Make damn sure only those on the take are ever in a position to expose it. (2016 FAIL!)
     
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    Last ditch? No.. when the Senate acquits, renders a not guilty verdict, the Democrats will cook up something else, hell they probably already have...
     
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    These resulted from changes in demographics not political beliefs. Whenever liberals immigrate to other states in large numbers this is what happens. It happened in Vermont by New York liberals and in New Hampshire and Maine from Massachusetts. The same thing happened to Oregon and Washington from California. For a time this phenomena was limited to the coasts but it has metastasized and spread via migration, social media, media, the poisonous effect of the communists that teach at our colleges and universities and the political pogroms aimed at any group that is right of center. They have divided America and their propaganda has gained some traction buy even with all of that they cannot win. They cannot win because America is a phoenix and has survived worse over the last 243 years, division is a losing strategy and the left always loses to our unassailable Constitution.
     
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    There is no reason to expect the voters to rally around a deep state/Democrat coup. First the average voter gets no news information of such from the media; second the GOP is lousy at getting their message out, not to mention that some GOP leaders are silent conspirators in the coup. Then all these states are turning purple or blue mainly because of the massive increase in immigrants, both legal and illegal, coming into them.

    Why you people think that because witnesses are going to offer only their opinion on the Trump-Ukraine situation or call, and opine that they didn't like it is going to be the downfall of Trump escapes rational belief.
     
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    It's funny how this immigration is only going in one direction. Have there been any high profile Democrats who have lost races in blue states recently? I'm not aware of any. There are quite a few Republicans who are losing in VERY red states, like Kentucky, Louisiana and Alabama.

    They already won in 2018. That's why there's a "Speaker" in front of Pelosi's name. And Democrats are continuing to win in Republican territory. The signs don't look good for the GOP.
     
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    Liberals get about a billion dollars worth of free advertising from the MSM so they have that going for them.
     
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    this process did not start with some staffer coming forward, it has been planned and gently maneuvered through various stages. I believe it will continue to run through the election cycle and just before the election will be dropped. Democrats don't want a Senate trial because everything would be on the table. They are getting what they want, the seeds have been planted and nurtured and opinions hardened. The damage is done so we will have to see the results in the upcoming.
     
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    At this point I don't think that it will get to the Senate. The DOJ is running a concurrent investigation which didn't happen during the Mueller investigation. Giuliani started to dig into the situation even before Mueller concluded but that was all evidence gathering on 302s.
     
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    I hope Democrats are stubborn and stick with it to the bitter end.. i hope they keep attacking Trump with allegation after allegation.

    Quite frankly as someone who didn't vote Trump in 2016 and doesn't plan on voting for him in 2020 i am super turned off by Democrats at the moment. Both their personalities and their policy i find abhorrent and seriously damaging.
     
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    I actually think that it goes well beyond just the political motivations. I am more inclined to believe that the Crowdstrike server issue could open up a Pandora's box that could even take down a player like Soros.

    Peeling the Onion... People are being flipped...
     

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