Is Israel about to go to war?

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This makes for scary reading.

    "Israel will never allow Iran to become nuclear capable or anywhere close to it," Gantz told
    Fox News Radio. "If the world stops them before, it's very much good. But if not, we must
    stand independently. And we must defend ourselves by ourselves."

    Israel Developing Plans to Strike Iran over Nuclear Weapons as Joe Biden Deal Falters (msn.com)

    If Iran goes nuclear then Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey go nuclear. There goes your
    nuclear-non-proliferation.
    But if Israel strikes Iran then Hezbollah, Iran's proxy, most likely will launch its supposed
    150,000 missiles at Israel.
     
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    The Iranian 'government' such as it is is crazy enough to actually use nukes, and they will use them on Israel. As a rule, I oppose interventionalism. But nuclear Iran is by far the strongest case for it... Israel is no 'good guy' either, but if I were them I would stop Iran from building nukes too. Because if they don't, then they will be nuked.
     
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    IMO, the U.S. is being governed by a committee of unknown size or composition but with the Tan Messiah holding the tie-breaker vote OR veto. He hates Netanyahu and is willing to crush Israel by supporting Iran. The current Israeli government understands what's happening and I think they should play hardball on the Iran issue. NO sanctions relief and no negotiations until inspections are allowed with no pre-conditions.
     
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    Israel can defeat Iran, that's no problem. What is more disturbing is Israel's sudden pandering to Islamic interests by their conservative and Orthodox parties, and aiding their newfound fair weather allies against the Armenians. Their refusal to condemn the Armenian genocide smacks of the Jews of Palestine's support for the Turks in their genocide at the time is not a good sign; it smacks of their alliances with the Muslim invaders of Europe and India. They can weather a Biden degeneracy, and don't need to let that gangster drive them into alliances with butchers. They allied with Muslims against Christian and other countries right up to the 20th century, which a lot of people forget. Many also forget it was the Armenian genocide and the lack of concern by the rest of world that inspired Hitler to believe his mass murders of Jews would be overlooked.
     
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    I've pretty much had my fill of the endless tribal and religious warfare in that fever swamp. Give ALL of them a few good sized nukes and let 'em turn the region into a sea of molten glass, probably turn out to be the best thing for the world at large in the long run.
     
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    Sure if they use nukes - Israel is much better militarily but Iran can decimate the tiny homeland with cruise and ballistic missiles -

    This is a trend the west has been adopting big over the last decade.. We been allied with Brother El Saud and its Al Qaeda spawn in 2 wars over the last decade...
     
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    People have historical memories and affiliations that they continue to carry into our present day. I noticed that with Germany, and how they favored their former allies like Croatia and Bosnia, rather than Serbia who had fought against them.

    As for the Armenians, there was always an animosity between them and the Jews under the Ottomans. By the same token, the Turks and Jews were aligned against the Christian population. That relationship continued in this country, so that AIPAC and the Turkish lobby was aligned in Washington for decades. If the relationship doesn't exist today, it's only because Erdogan's wife is a Palestinian.

    This would explain why Israel gave its support to Azerbiajan during the war, and why Iran has a good relationship with Armenia, even though many Azerbiajani's live in Iran. As the saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
     
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    Why do you think Iran is crazy enough to use nukes? If they wanted nuclear weapons they would already have them
     
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    Im sure they do actually have a few nukes. But not the right ones. What they likely have are old soviet uranium-based nukes meant to either be dropped from a large bomber or delivered on an old soviet missile. Neither method has a chance in hell of making it past modern air defense systems, of which Israel has top of the line. Iran needs modern nukes small enough to put on modern delivery systems that are quick and agile enough to make it past modern defense systems. That means they need plutonium, which they don't have.

    Most Islamic nations are headed by (relatively) 'moderate' Muslims who either favor politics over religious doctrine and/or simply use their religion as a means to 'connect' with (read: placate or control) the more radical of their peoples. In Iran its the reverse- the extremists actually hold all the power, and they are frothing 'antiZionists.' I'm likely oversimplifying it here, but in attempt to avoid a novel: the particular Islamic sect (or cult) that runs Iran (installed to power by US interventionists, its worth noting) believes their Heaven (or w/e they call their particular version of Utopia) is just around the corner. And that corner is a massive armageddon style war that destroys evil Zion (Israel). Or to put another way- Nuke Israel for eternal bliss.

    Its also worth noting that Israel has done a very good job at placing itself in the perception of this 'mortal enemy of Islam', with the help of Western European and US interventionism over the last several decades. So I'm not saying Iran is 'the bad guy' here, but they are the guy who will try to end the conflict with nukes.
     
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    the recent refusal to acknowledge the Armenian atrocities did not sit well with secular Israelis at all.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/i...ure-to-recognize-the-armenian-genocide-625722

    The Netanyahu govt. is selling arms to be used against the Armenians, so they can't claim its just merelyabout not offending Turkey.
     
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    You should check the percentage of total oil obtained from the ME by country. Many countries of the world would become vulnerable to pressure from various ME countries. We wouldn't just lose the ME. We would lose a host of countries, which would be totally dependent on Russia, Iran, and China for their energy needs.
     
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    In a world with nukes and bioweapons (and most likely in a world in which bioweapons are being inadvertently released), the blanket opposition of intervention is an extremely risky policy.
     
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    So now the U.S. engages in genocide. There go your comments down the drain.
     
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    Rubbish. You posts make no sense as usual.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/befor...s-supported-the-armenian-genocides-architect/

    Right wing Jews would love to accompany their Muslim buddies in another Jihad against the West ad rule over the cities like they did in the 'good old days' of Islamic conquests and massacres.

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...-turkey-and-became-genocide-deniers-1.8792672
     
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    The only reason I clicked on your link was to confirm that it wouldn't say anything about a U.S. genocide. Confirmed.
     
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    The only reason the world is risky is because of our interventionist policies and our provocations. I know that the nations we perceive as enemies, are only enemies because they believe in a multi polar world rather than one controlled by the US.

    If I recall, it was when Bill Clinton went against the Security Council and bombed Belgrade for 78 days, that Putin realized we had become a rogue nation. This is when he began building up Russia's military.
     
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    The biggest genocide was the one by the Bolsheviks against the Russian Christians. Also the one against Christians these past years, which has been going on mostly in Syria with our support. I read that up to 300 Christians were being killed everyday. Naturally there was no mention of it in the MSM. Instead Assad, who protected and offered the Christians refuge was demonized.

    If Obama had bombed Damascus in the first false flag chemical attack; as he wanted to in order to support Al Nusra, the terrorists would have entered Damascus and it would have turned into the biggest massacre in history.

    There is no way that Obama didn't know it was a false flag in support of Al Nusra by Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Erdogan's opposition had found out about it and brought it up in Turkey's parliament. Turkish troops were ready to march in and grab Idlib and Aleppo, and Saudi Arabia was ready to grab Syria's oil and gas resources. Since the Saudis had covered much of the costs of moving the Syrians into Germany, there was quite a fall out between them and Obama when he didn't bomb.

    Fortunately for the Christians who were massed at Damascus, the Pope turned to Putin for help. The Russians took an analysis of the chemicals and found they didn't exist in Syria. He then sent the results to Britain. London panicked and told Obama not to bomb. Putin also offered to eliminate all the chemicals in Syria's arsenal at Russia's own expense.

    In the meantime, our government and media had the American people believing that we were fighting ISIS. What we were really doing, was dropping bombs on the desert. The only reason we were there, was to overthrow Assad so we could weaken Syria and break it up like Yugoslavia.

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    Yeah, I recall how America was so taken back by Japan's invasion of China.
    What did the Rape of Nanjing have to do with Average Joe in America?
    And this led to oil and iron embargoes which led to war, which America had
    coming. And in the end we have the fire bombing of Tokyo - worse than any
    Nanjing issue.
    Imperial Japan is not America's concern, anymore than Imperial America, or
    Imperial Russia or Imperial China.
     
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    The vaccination program might be a bigger concern right now. They are rapidly vaccinating all its citizens and will force the ones who don't want to vaccinate by using the Green Passport which is already in operation!
     
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    Japan mimicked the 'supermenchen' ideologies of the West, especially Germany, and perceived the Chinese as inferior. Thus the Rape of Nanking. The Japanese soldiers were taking photos of themselves performing the murders to keep as souvenirs. We though have no idea what our government is doing in other countries - yet like Japan and Germany, we will pay the price someday for it.

    When we bombed Mosul, the people were told not to leave because we have precision bombs. We then proceeded to bomb the city into the stone age. The bodies lay unburied for over six months and they say the stench was unbearable. There were some people that did leave, and one has to wonder if a certain segment of the population was given a warning - but not the others. This then would be genocide.

    When the Russians were bombing E. Aleppo, so the Syrians could take the city, there was an uproar in the MSM. In order to minimize the casualties, it took almost 3 months to capture it, and buses were allowed to take away the foreign agents and no doubt terrorists as well. Yet afterwards when we bombed Raqqa, we did the same as we did to Mosul. We bombed the whole city into the stone age in 3 days with a complete indifference towards the inhabitants.

    Again one has to wonder why? I know Assad was furious, even though Raqqa had been under ISIS for years. Was it to ethnically cleanse Syria's
    oil and gas rich area of its Arab inhabitants, and create a nation for the Kurds - even though they are not indigenous to the area? I think so! This again would be genocide.
     
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    lol this forum has become nutjob commie Central. No wonder it's dead.
     
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    For decades US and Israel have been saying Iran is hell bent on attacking Israel and would do so as soon as they had nukes. If that was the case, why haven't they attacked already using massive salvos of chemical & biological weapons?
     
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    Israel can't defeat Iran at all. Iran is simply too far away for Israel to fly to. They must refuel above Iraq if they want to do so. And that's when threy will be just sitting ducks. While Iran has shown the US rather recently that they have no problem with giving them some hours heads up before their laser guided missiles hit their bases with an absolute nice accuracy rate. That Iron dome of Israel only stops 90% of the home made crap that Hamas shoots. It's nothing close to what Hezbollah got, while Iran is in an entire different league compared to Hezbollah. And let that sink in.... Israel is scared when Iran has a nuke, because they know their odds of their "iron dome" against Iranian missiles.... and it must be abysmally small.

    Do also note. Israel is a freaking tiny country. It has like 3 "mayor" cities. The 4th biggest place is less than 250k. West-Jerusalem got the Knesset, Tel Aviv the militarily of defense office and if you will Haifa got the naval base. It's not as if there are a lot of options to go without it. While Iran is freaking MASSIVE. Teheran had more people than Israel as a whole. The city itself might even be bigger as well than the Israel as a whole.
     
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    Israel already went nuclear. It's a joke for others to hear them say who should abide by the nuclear non proliferation deal, when Israel openly doesn't play by that rule. And if talks like this, that Israel must strike first in the open. Than it's obvious that Iran may defend themselves and blow up Israel first. They got a right to defend themselves just as well. They had a good working deal with Germany, Russia, China, UK, France and the US. No breaches in that deal other than US breaching it at their end. A not very partial decision, when their highest foreign affair official pays a personal hommage to an illegal Israeli settlement in occupied Palestina.

    LOADS of American citizens live in illegal Israeli settlements in occupied Palestina. Israeli settlements accuired through ruthless warfare against civilians. Ethnic cleansing them along the way. And here Israel cries about a so called need to rage war, with the US looking over their shoulder, while both of them are the most violent breed there is on the world.
     
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    They launch attacks all the time; if they use chemical and bio weapons they risk blowback from their own people, for one, and of course even the European Jew haters would have to cut them off and respond to that type of attack, that's why.
     
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