Is Israel-Iran clash imminent?

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  1. trucker

    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i heard
    israel pulls fighter jets from drill in Alaska ,
    so whats up with all this :confusion:are we about too see a new middleeast war
    developing and
    will Assad join in with his Syrian forces...

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...-ruussia-avigdor-liberman-hassan-rouhani.html
     
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    Assad better not, he will get spanked
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Assad does not want the mess. Israel would eat Syria's lunch and probably Lebanon's desert. Now if Russia got involved then things change, but then the USA gets involved and there you have WWIII.
     
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    I don't know much about it, but I think Russia may be the wildcard. I hear they may turn over control of some S200 systems to Iran or Syria. This could be a problem for Israel's control of the air. I guess they can fire up those new F35s.
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    humm still not trained in them yet?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_Israeli_procurement
     
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    Israel has a small problem. They simply can't hold much land. They don't have enough people.
    Iran has fighters, but not technology.
     
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    I think it all hinges on if the US is gonna go after Iran. I figure we will pull out of that nuke deal, and then accuse Iran of never stopping work on nukes, with the cry they will have their first one in____fill in the blank. All supported by no evidence of course. We don't need no stinkin' evidence. We might find us a defector that gives us all of the heresay evidence that we require.

    So I doubt Israel is going to all out war with Iran, unless they know the US is gonna make a move against Iran. After all, we have neocons in the admin and plenty of them in both parties. But they may skirmish with them, carefully until that time.

    I think it is inevitable that we go up against Iran. They are one of the more important nations listed in the PNAC paper. Trump campaigned as a tremendous threat to the neocon PNAC. Since that time in actions he has moved toward that conspiratorial crowd, and ideology, while tweeting or saying contrary things, like his talk about getting out of syria. Yet only actions matter and words are cheap as a street walking whore.

    Syria is important to Iran if for nothing else a supply line for Hezbollah and Hamas. That Iran supports these groups, is meddling in outside of Iran affairs, and a problem for Israel. A national security problem in fact. And I think it is just a matte of time before Iran is taken down. And Iran is the only nation in the middle east that could, by attacking them, invading them, would risk ww3. With russia and china siding with iran. The defense of not only Iran but of Shiite Islam.
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel
    must already know mad dog and dr stranglove boltons next move, i am sure hes giving them a heads up
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    There is little doubt in my mind that there are several powerful people in DC that are salivating about taking Iran down. Turn it back into what it was under the Shah, by force take control back from the theocrats. And of course it was one of the major nations listed in PNAC to be taken down. But taking saddam down has complicated it greatly. The Shiites in Iraq will throw in with the Shiites of Iran, IMO. Such a war would see the shiites in Iraq fighting with the shiite of Iran.

    IMO, taking down Iran will be much harder than taking down those other nations. If ww3 needed an impetus, it is here in Iran. China has invested heavily in Iran with its oil and then there is russia, who is already getting treated like sh*t by a neocon foreign policy, for they are on that PNAC list too, and they know it. Our militancy is such irresponsible and risky behavior. Our actions can literally threaten world peace and the last war. We are ruled over by very dangerous men and we have never seen anything like it.
     
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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/middleeast/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-macron-intl/index.html
    wow this is a mess for trump:sick: dam we got our selves in another pickle we shouldnt be in:no:
     
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    Hezbollah is uniting it's Lebanese proxies against Israel, also obvious they are stirring unrest in Gaza recently and the Palestinian engineer executed by Mossad in Malaysia also to me indicate the Palestinians were up to something, there's much going on, imo it does very much look like Iran is getting ready to strike, besides Nasrallah pretty much said as much in December.

    The west is working very hard on taking apart Hezbollah's criminal empire that are funding it's wars, without money Iran will have to reconsider it's aggression
     
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    No it's S300 though they claim they have not made up their mind and remember these are for defence not attack. Russia is not so much the wild card as the reality that Russia is now in Syria needs to be accepted. Israel is no longer the prominent power in the region.

    Iran sent Syria an air defence system. Israel responded by attacking it in the hope that it would not be set up at the same time killing several Iranians. This was the first time Israel had killed Iranians in Syria. Also the Syrians brought down an Israeli aircraft which was attacking them. Iran said their would be consequences for the killing of her people. They seemed to be getting near war. Putin intervened. He basically told Israel that Russia would not allow Israel to attack targets of Russia's allies in Syria as to do that was threatening Russian security there. He said if Israel had a problem with Iran and dealt directly with Iran that was Israel's business but an attack on Syria was also an attack on Russia. He also made clear that Russia was sensitive to Israel's needs for her own security. Basically Russia would remain sensitive to Israel's security needs but would not allow the bombing of Iranian or other alley bases in Syria.

    Question was what would Israel do? Could she accept having this diminished position no longer having total air supremacy in the area, able to go through other people's air space at will and bomb without fear of repercussions or would she engage in a 'war of choice' against Syria/Lebanon or would she ask Washington for help.

    Either she asked Washington for help or there was a hell of a coincidence because a chemical weapon attack then appeared in Syria with the US/UK and France believing it needed an immediate response. There was not enough time to wait until chemical weapons inspectors had investigated. However, it then became obvious that the sort of attack which was originally spoken about - not that different to Iraq would not take place. Had it according to some sources Israel would have herself likely been subject to attack. Some sources claimed hundreds of missiles were aimed at her. In addition there was a danger of war between Russia and the US. Mattis took these issues seriously and instead there was a symbolic strike which obviously did not bring about the changes Israel wanted. If a war came about with Syria and Russia had not provided the S300, Russian's S400 would probably still be available for the protection of Syria as I understand they have their air defences aligned.

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/02/18/syria-putin-makes-offer-israel-will-israel-refuse/
     
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    There is of course the Iran, Turkey and Russia pact.

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    Will an Emerging Russia-Turkey-Iran Alliance Reshape the Middle East?
     
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    Armageddon akbar!
     
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    It isn't money that makes it that Iran is riled; It is Israel's constant, irresponsible aggression, both on the ground and in the WH. Let's compare the nations that both countries agressed and/or went to war with since 1950, just for fun.

    Israel is a bad graft trying to reject the whole host since its inception. That policy can't last forever, Scarlet. One day it will crash, if not by the hands of Iran then someone else's. It's a fact - it's science.
     
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    What do you mean with, it isn't money that makes Iran riled... who said it was? War =weapons=money does it not... generally money and weapons are needed if you're planning to win,
     
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    It is not Iran war, it is Israel/ (Lebanon, Palestine, Syria) war
     
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    Do Assad's forces really count in such a war?

    The war wouldn't be a full scaled conventional but would rather be a micro one around the Jewish homeland, between Iranian proxy units which are supercharged with mobilized RG troops, and Israeli military.

    Advantages:

    Israel:
    Close distance for supplying the fronts which would probably be set up some 30 to 50 miles northbound of the Golan Heights.
    Military strength. Almost the entire population is reserve forces.
    Nuclear capability.
    Best pilots.
    Mossad's capability of infiltrating cities behind enemy lines and waging a guerrilla war at there.

    Iran:
    Settled proxy armies surrounding the Jewish homeland.
    Tens of unknown tunnel routes some of which begin at Hezbollah strongholds ending well inside of Israel.
    Hezbollah rockets from Lebanon. If used wisely, they would divert Israeli focus to Lebanon which eventually would gain time for regrouping and supplying forces at other fronts/hotspots

    Disadvantages:

    Israel:
    Not much apart from the mentioned Iranian advantages.

    Iran:
    In addition to Israel's advantages;
    supply of the proxies.
    Russia's neutral position.
    American existence in Syria although their support to Israel would be limited.
    Vulnerability to tactical nukes of Israel.

    All in all, Iran got very little chance against Israel.
     
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    Iran stands no real chance against Israel. Their weapons are outdated. Their air force stands no chance against Israel. Even if Syria gets S300 and uses it to protect Iranian bases while it attacks Israel, it still does no guarantee full protection. There is no such thing as impenetrable air defense system and Israel has practiced against S300 in Greece.

    Iran would rely too much on Hamas and Hezbollah to shower Israel with rockets. Israel has excellent air defense systems that would intercept most of them. But let's say in worst case scenario, Iran destroys Israeli air fields rendering their jets useless. Israel still has weapons that can destroy Iran, German-built Dolphin submarines capable of firing nuclear missiles. They are extremely quiet and almost undetectable.
     
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    Iran's main problem in confronting Israel has little to do with the Israeli military and its capabilities (not counting its nuclear arsenal). The problems Iran faces are internal. Otherwise, the range of weapons Iran has at its disposal to hit Israel, coupled with what Hezbollah has in its arsenal, would be sufficient to turn Israeli cities and bases into ghost towns and rubble. Whoever thinks or says otherwise is clueless.

    Below is Israel's Uzi Rubin giving a presentation regarding Iran's long range Soumar cruise missile.


    Below is Uzi Rubin talking about Iran's Emad ballistic missile.


    This is a video of another Iranian ballistic missile, the Qiam, fired from an underground silo


    This is a video of one of a dozen or more Iranian underground bases housing Iran's missile arsenal.


     
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    A quick synopsis of Iran's missile capabilities can be seen in this graphic.
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    I posted a sample of the range of weapons at Iran's disposal mainly in response to your ridiculous comment. Iran has missiles with the capability and accuracy to take out Benjamin Netanyahu himself if he tried to chew more than he could swallow.

    Incidentally, while I posted Uzi Rubin's comments about the Soumar cruise missile and the Emad ballistic missile, Iran's most advanced ballistic missile is probably the Sejil.


    This report is from a few hours ago.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/24/559558/Shamkhani-Israel-Syria-NPT-JCPOA
     

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