Is it atheist to hate god?

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    yes currently they do but it was fought for.

    Hearts and minds.

    there are plenty of shows that don't have gay characters in them.

    After the Oberfell decision in 2015 yes.
     
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    God reveals both good and evil, both what He is and what He is not, because anything, even God, is revealed just as much by what it is not as it is by what it is. I can see how that is "sadist" to those who are perishing. I can completely understand how those could hate God. Those of us who are being saved, however, love Him dearly.
     
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    To the best of my understanding, John Calvin was a horrible person. He was complicit in the imposition of doctrine by force. I have not read Calvin. I have only ever read about him. To the best of my understanding, he did not have a problem accepting the implications of God's sovereignty. But like I wrote above, I have not read anything by Calvin, himself, so I can't know with any certainty.
     
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    "Is it atheist to hate god?"

    God's doesn't exist, nothing to hate

    hating God would be like hating Santa or the Easter Bunny
     
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    Well, your perspective that God "writes minds" is very reminiscent of Calvin. It removes free will from the equation, and makes a person's fate entirely predestined. Which makes the entire process of life unnecessary, since your afterlife is already determined.
     
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    We don't determine. We discover what God determines. I find life as a creature to be a life of discovery and well worth living, even if we aren't necessary.

    Free will an interesting idea that just doesn't stand up to testing even when arbitrarily interjected or read into the bible.
    If God is necessary, everything else is contingent. If God is not necessary, He is not God.
    I do not believe in a necessary being because I found one in the bible. I am left to believe in the God of the bible because I can find in Him a necessary being, a sovereign God.

    I go to the bible with a belief in material contingency and its implications. I do not go to the bible with a belief in my own necessity (free will). We have completely different starting points.
     
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    In relationships between equals, one's responsibility for them self extends from their authority over them self.
    In relationships between sovereigns and subjects, the subjects responsibility for them self extends from the sovereign's authority over them.
    To the extent that one is left to believe that God is only just in His condemnation of them to the extent that they have authority over them self, that one is left to believe that they are equal with God.
     
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    So you're a Calvinist then, even if you don't know it. And God is doing nothing but talking to himself.
     
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    I can create a character that knows I'm their author. I can create a dialog with that character. Such a dialog is not a conversation; it is a condescension. There is another way an author can condescend to his characters. The author can write himself into his novel work as a character. The author's character would be no less a character than any of the other characters, and the author would be no less the author for doing so. Jesus is God's character incarnate.
     
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    Cool story bro
     
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    Step one: assert that a god is "necessary" (reasoning optional)
    Step two: assume that god must be the god of Abraham in a total non-sequitur
    Step three: shoehorn Jesus in too, while still pretending that step one justifies it, even though step one didn't even justify step two.
     
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    How are you being saved? I wish this supernatural man in the sky would save those kids in Africa with just a little rain so they could raise crops and not die of starvation. If he is omnipotent he has the power to make rain and if he doesn’t that sadistic. I wonder how you would feel if I watched a child drowning when I have the ability to easily save her. Hey, I was just exposing evil
     
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    Have you not been taking lessons from President Clown Shoes? Lol
     
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    He has worship down to a science ! Lol
     
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    No matter the ideology, there is always a spectrum of followers. An actual atheist (no true scotsman, I know) shouldn't hate a god given that there isn't one.

    However, if there were a god, it would be perfectly rational and reasonable to hate it, after all, every bad thing that ever happened would be it's fault. Now, granted all good things would be it's fault too, but allowing for the existence of a hell, then most people go to hell, and the bad massively outweighs the good.

    It's also very reasonable to work against a religion or an idea of a god.
     
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    I'm surprised he hasn't made senators bow and kiss his ring. Maybe he makes them do that in private. Lol
     
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    I have no idea of what you're talking about. An atheist does the opposite, there's no blame for a God they don't believe in.
     
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    Atheists are wrong and they don't believe it.
     
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    Wrong about what?
     
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    Pretty funny stuff here. Why do rightwingers blame the left for all their troubles? LOL You're a funny guy.
     
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    They blame the left for all the troubles and give God all the credit for the good LOL
     
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