Is it ethical to steal from hectomillionaires?

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Is it ethical to steal from hectomillionaires?

  1. No -- and I do not.

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  2. No -- but I need music, films, and books.

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  3. Yes -- but I do not.

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    14.3%
  4. Yes -- and I need music, films, and books.

    3 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    If you steal from a thief, you are the same...a thief. If you steal from someone who isn't a thief, then you are worse than the person from whom you stole, regardless of how much money they have.
     
  2. modernpaladin

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    You can record music from youtube and put it on a MP3 player or phone for offline listening.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Your computer skills exceed mine as I've never been able to record YouTubes

    You used to be able to record a vinyl disk on tape and I was always told that was legal as long as you did it just to preserve your vinyl collection and didn't try to sell copies for money
     
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  4. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    google 'youtube downloader' (for research purposes, of course!). You might need to try a few to find one that actually works

    i suspect that providing a link might break some PF rules, so i wont bother
     
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  5. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are able to make a copy of a record you bought, but not your friend's LP.

    You can read about YouTube-to-MP3 conversion here: http://convert2mp3.net/en/
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, but I don't really care. Like I said why should I copy it? It's right there whenever I want it, for free.
     
  7. CCitizen

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    You can download any video or soundtrack from YouTube here.
     
  8. CCitizen

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    Why? Hectomillionaires hoard too much resources they do not need.
     
  9. CCitizen

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    That's what I use.
     
  10. Durandal

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    Yeah, at least where corporations are concerned. They're legally treated like people, but have way too much wealth and power for that to be reasonable in many cases.
     
  11. Injeun

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    That's not for you to decide. Besides, none of it is yours or anyone's but to whom it belongs. Go make your own money. You can't just lay around while those around you labor day and night, planting and gathering the fruits of their labors. And then you, having done absolutely nothing while they were busting their butts, come along and say you deserve a portion of it, when in fact you've done absolutely nothing to deserve a portion. Furthermore, If you keep everyone stripped back to only what's needed, you wind up with stagnation, less and less for seed, and none for new investments, inventions and ideas....no progress. Were it not for capitalism, there'd be no wealthy people for anyone else to envy or covet. There would be no great sums of wealth. Consequently, what you propose is the philosophy of covetousness....or the abundance of nothing.
     
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    Correct. I'd add that this another "Socialist Liberal youth vs. the Capitalist Conservative elders" debate.
     
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    It is never ethical to steal.
     
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  14. Bluesguy

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    No they do not force anyone to do anything, stealing is a conscious decision by the person doing it.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    It's THEIR PROPERTY and belongs to THEIR FAMILY if they so bequeath it. You nor the public has any right to it.
     
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    Agreed. If they have a problem with the system, they should revolt as a group.
     
  17. BillRM

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    Sorry the rights of copyright was given by congress under the constitution and the terms of those rights can be change at anytime by congress for the benefits of the public

    Once more those rights was granted for the benefit of the whole society by encouraging people to produce such copyright works not to enrich the grand kids of the creators or even worst the corporate holders of such copyrights long after the death of the authors.

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    It does not matter who the victim of theft is, its wrong. Whether its a car, music, software, movies, money, your vote, stealing is wrong.
     
  19. BillRM

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    LOL the right and the correct way to steal from the public is to hired an army of congressional lobbies to have congress keep extending the terms of copyright far beyond the original terms.

    After all bribing congress is an honorable way of legally getting wealthy.
     
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    We have treatys with other countries regarding this...
     
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    How are you stealing from the public? you are stealing from the artist .
     
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  22. Bluesguy

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    Yes the protection of intellectual property, one of the cornerstones of our founding because of the benefit to the public. Typical of the left though wanting other people's money and other people's property including intellectual and artistic properties.
     
  23. BillRM

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    Yes and our film and movie companies was the ones who put pressure on the rest of the world to match the US as far as extending the copyright periods with the last hold out was Japan if I remember correctly.
     
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  24. BillRM

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    Yes indeed the left wish us to follow the intended of having copyright laws in the first place and the right wish to misused copyright laws to enriched a few percent of the population and the hell with the welfare of the whole society.

    limited Times is not a hundred years or more.
     
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    What are you saying here? That if a person writes a novel that novel belongs to you and the rest of society? That if someone writes a song that song belongs to you and the rest of society? That if some discovers and semi-conductor that it belongs to you and the rest of society? You think they all do it just for self-recognition or something? What right do you have to their creative works?



    limited Times is not a hundred years or more.[/QUOTE]
     
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