Is it going to be Russia or Seth Rich that comes out as the Truth?

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Did Russia work with Trump to steal the election or did the DNC kill Seth Rich?

  1. Putin's Russia did it all and owns Trump as there puppet.

    1 vote(s)
    10.0%
  2. No Seth Rich leaked the DNC emails to wikileaks and then the DNC had him killed

    4 vote(s)
    40.0%
  3. I think both story's are fake news.

    3 vote(s)
    30.0%
  4. I don't know what to think.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Other

    2 vote(s)
    20.0%
  6. Russia is working with Trump and the DNC killed Seth Rich. So both will be discovered to be true.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. The Mandela Effect

    The Mandela Effect Well-Known Member

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    So is Trump going to be found guilty of working with the Russian government to steal the election from Hillary or is the DNC going to be found guilty of killing Seth Rich for leaking emails to WikiLeaks?

    I don't really know what is going to happen but my opinion at the moment is that Seth Rich leaked the DNC emails to WikiLeaks and then was killed for it. I think Trump does have something to hide but not being a puppet of the Russian government.
     
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  2. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only issue with you poll is assuming the truth will come out. I don't believe "truth" is even relevant to the government, law enforcement, the MSM or even most people. Truth is whatever each person, group, organization, agency and corporate propaganda outlet falsely called the press and media want it to be.

    Seth Rich leaked the information. This will never be revealed. Trump did not "collude" with Russia or Putin, but the MSM will claim so another million times. The Russians no more or less tried to influence our election than did numerous other countries, most notably our allies.
     
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    So far neither has enough evidence to be proven true or false.

    I believe if anything brings Trump down it won't be Russia, but more likely it'll be his conduct in relation to the investigations. I don't know about you, I don't make a habit of threatening people to keep their mouths shut if they don't actually have anything on me.

    On a side note, I think the Seth Rich story is sad. I don't think there's a zero chance some part of it is true, but at the moment he's being blamed for a crime based on the fact that he got killed. Makes me sad, and it's honestly not something that should've been done without solid evidence, which I don't believe has been provided.
     
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    Should add the CIA to the list.

    As recently exposed by Wikileaks, the CIA has developed malware and can hack into a server that leaves a cyber trail leading back to Russia or any country they choose.
    https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#Scribbles
     
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    US election outcome are combination of things, all of the above, just allocate different % responsibility across the board. I think this is why so many can't see the forrest for the trees, they are trying to place the responsibility solely on the Russians or solely on Comey or Assange or Hillary or Libya or emails, Abbedin fake news, propaganda, Trump's racist remarks, misogyny.

    What they need to understand it that while most of those things are just plain unfortunate for Hillary, the Russians having influenced the US election and their involvement with Trump and his inner circle is a huge concern for national security and needs to be investigated.

    As far as Seth Rich goes, I think the Russians killed him, if the Clintons were going to kill him they would wait until the dust settles a few years later, pretty stupid to do it in the middle of an investigation when it's purely seeking revenge

    Rich was killed to hide something/someone or to take the fall
     
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    freddy62 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And just what would Russia possibly have to gain by killing Seth Rich??? Or is this the yell Russia, Russia, Russia thing that's currently in vogue with democrats.
     
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    freddy62 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The threat Trump made was to release his tape recording of the conversation if Comey did not tell the truth.

    Lets see, gunned down and nothing stolen, Wiki leaks founder Julian says the source of his emails was not a state actor & the leaker had been killed, later Wiki leaks posts a $25000 reward for information leading to the murderer of Seth Rich. The real question is will the person who put the contract out on Seth Rich ever be caught.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No,because he could be subpoenaed to Congress and confirm it was him, totally eliminating the one billion times Democrats have said "The Russians! Hilary lost because of the Russians! Trump collaborated with the Russians!"

    Why would Russia kill him? Russia would want him alive. Badly.
     
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    We KNOW military leadership did NOT want Clinton because in response to Clinton repeatedly stating she would use the US Air Force to impose a no-fly zone over Syria - meaning shooting down Russian planes - the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff testified before Congress "this would mean war with Russia and we are prepared to do that."

    The media let this just fly by - but that was THE most decisive moment of the campaign when the head of the US military said outright the military will not comply with an order to attack Russian aircraft from Clinton. I can not remember any time any commander still in the military ever declared a defiance against a potential order by the President/commander in chief. The CIA, NSA, and such WANT to keep the COLD war going, but ABSOLUTELY DO NOT want a HOT war with Russia.
     
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    Hillary is your typical power hungry liberal Alysnkyite warmonger.

    How many wars and uprisings did Barack and Hillary start ?

    If Hillary were to come under the GOP tent, Sen. John McCain would be there to meet her with open arms and there would be another RINO nation building neo-con under the GOP tent.
     
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    If the Russians killed him then why doesn't the MSM throw up a story with that as there opinion?

    They are horrified and I think it's because the DNC is a real life Underwood in this house of cards murder case. They did it to send a message to anyone else thinking about leaking.

    I can't say for sure if it all happened the way I think it did but I really don't think the MSM is honest. I don't trust any big money faction to tell me the truth as corruption often has sunk deep in such things.
     
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    The truth will never come out for any of the above poll choices.
     

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