Is it okay for the Trump opponents to break laws in order to remove Trump?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why won't Democrats learn the actual and true story?

    Richard Armitage worked at a senior level in the State Department.

    I am sure had your story been true, the story of her and her controversial husband would have not been explained by Armitage but by Cheney or even Rove.

    Plame never got smeared. Her husband as a rogue operative tried to smear non other than President Bush.
     
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    Twist? LOLOL.. Trump twists his own remarks daily..
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For the left, if the leaker is the right kind of person it is OK and even forgivable when they get people killed, like Manning
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Plame was defeated in courts of law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair#Civil_suit

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Manning is now a free human.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's the media Margot. Not Trump.
     
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    The media is NOT responsible for what Trump says and does or tweets. He's a grown man, Robert.
     
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    This is not a difficult issue.

    If the leak is illegal, the leaker needs to go to jail for the maximum sentence.

    If the leak is not illegal, it's up to their employer whether to fire them, promote them, or leave them alone.
     
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    Fawning over every utterance Obama ever made to ridiculing everything Trump says or does and you don't recognize the difference in reporting?
     
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    Obama was a far better speaker, more intelligent and had a much better education than Trump.. Besides Trump is rude and may be senile.
     
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    Obama was a great orator but only if he could read what was written for him. Without that he sounded like what he was when asked real questions, an empty suit. I originally thought he was awesome until I heard an unscripted TV interview when he was running for the Senate. He sounded like an idiot.

    Obama never learned leadership skills. The only reason he got where he did was with a political machine and a fawning press. Trump used neither and still became President.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The media shapes your impression of what Trump tweets. Trump in a direct and full speech is no worse than was Obama and never did I read you talking bad about Obama.
     
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    Trump is senile.. Read his campaign speech in South Carolina.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would not mind one bit calling Obama a great orator were he actually one. He made a very good reader so long as the teleprompter did not malfunction. Then the real Obama showed up.

    Watch him in action.

     
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    Did you judge Obama on a particular speech? This makes Obama look senile.

     
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    He was 500% better than Trump.. Trump is frequently incoherent and speaks like a dumb forth grader.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fourth grader.

    As often as Obama managed to look stupid, you still think he is smart?
     
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    I can't speak for "the left". Just for myself. Same way that you can't even formulate a coherent argument of your own instead of just repeating Hannity hysteria.
     
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    Not a word of your post is true, and I've forgotten more about this case than you know.

    My story is not only true, but it is corroborated by testimony in the case.

    It was never a secret that Karl Rove tried to smear Joe Wilson by attacking his wife and revealing her role.

    Wilson's letter to the NYT ended any doubt in anyone's mind that the Bush admininstration was actively trying to manufacture a case for starting a war in Iraq based in claims it knew was not true.

    Of course, now, we have several examples. But Joe Wilson's letter that day was the one that made the case the most clearly at the time.

    Every word of it was true, too. This was a real problem for the Bush administration. Not only could they not attack Joe Wilson, the former US Ambassador to Iraq, a man whom George HW Bush had awarded the Medal of Freedom and a life long Republican, by character assination, but they couldn't attack him on the facts, either. He was telling the truth, and they knew it.

    So they had to manufacture a smear. Something to take the public's mind off the contents of that famous letter, and make it about the author's motives.

    The right wing noise machine did its level best to promote the distraction, feeding the audience with a steady diet of distractions, distortions and lies.

    In the end, the grand jury figured out what had been done, and who did it.

    No matter how hard they tried, they could never escape the basic fact that launched their entire smear campaign.

    Every word of Wilson's letter in the New York Times was true.
     
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    Wilson wrote an article exposing the lie that was Bush's claim about yellowcake uranium being sold to Ira (and it was a lie)

    In response the Bush Admin made a concerted effort to out Wilson's CIA operative wife Valerie Plame. Scooter Libby went to jail for lying about how that occurred to the FBI.

    Eventually Armitage was exposed as ONE of the *******s who did that.
     
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    The effort to out her did NOT only use Armitage and no she was not a desk jockey. Thanks for the Bushie talking points though...as unpatriotic as they are
     
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    And what proof do you have of that? Trump has never shown any and no one else has either
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tom

    Dear Tom

    I posted the findings of courts of law. You got it wrong. Richard Armitage gave Novak his information. Despite what the courts did, they announced they found no connections to any other person than Armitage. I know the Democratic party talking points extremely well.

    Bush for instance never said Niger. He said Africa. Bush made his comments in good faith it was the truth.
    Should we discuss the tons of yellow cake that Saddam Hussein had on hand? Found in Iraq by our forces and later shipped to Canada?
     
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    Let's say you are talking to one of your family members. You made comments just to that party and no others. And you learn later the comments are now all over your family members talking points. conclusion by you is the only person you spoke to leaked it.

    Trump knew what was going on in his locations. For data to escape, it had to be obtained by hacking or direct phone calls.
     

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