Is it okay for the Trump opponents to break laws in order to remove Trump?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bush said Saddam was trying to get yellowcake from Africa. Africa is a very large continent. Bush named no countries. As I accurately told Tom, Saddam had lots of Uranium in his stock pile in Iraq. But in any case, that is not the cause of the war. Bush constantly labeled Saddam a grave and gathering danger.

    No president can factually be 100 percent correct 100 percent of the time. He depends on too many people who inform him on issues and those people make mistakes.

    Armitage says what he did, as he outed Plame was just an innocent error. He claims he had no idea she was a top secret operative of the CIA. But even so, she was working inside at a desk job and not out in the field.

    For the Bush team to deliberately expose her only meant she was not going into the field where the exposure mattered. Her husband was a fool for trying to smear President Bush. Unfortunately he was allowed to go to Africa where of course we only have his word for what took place.

    Libby was at fault for being in error as to who he alleges told him of the facts. His lie was reporters told him.

    maybe to you that means jail time, and he got some, but it was a stupid thing to prosecute him for. As Obama loved to say, the prosecution has discretion.

    Libby practices law right now. Armitage per the court of law is the sole person that exposed Plame to Novak.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, you do not know the facts.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just now clicked it and it came right up.
     
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    If/when the press folks believe the President is twisting something, they should make their case. Would you like me to post the list of dubious "facts" that the press has reported recently? It's not pretty...

    True. However, they are responsible for his correct belief that he needs to go around the traditional press in order to get information out to the public. That's the sad truth.

    Agreed. If a leak is illegal, it should be dealt with aggressively.

    That's it, in a nutshell.

    Whatever else President Obama was, he definitely was not an effective leader.
     
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    Trump has the leakiest administration in history. No doubt this is because people are shocked and appalled by what they are seeing and hearing.

    I see it as the old ticking time bomb scenario. I don't condone the use of torture. But if I knew a guy under my control knew how to stop an atom bomb from going off in NY city, would I torture him? Yes. Sometimes you have to stick your neck out to do the right thing.

    That doesn't mean we change the laws. It means we depend on patriots to do the right thing and take the personal risk, or pay the price, if the stakes are high enough. And many of these leaks are surely coming from his own people. No one else would know!

    That is what we are seeing. Patriots would rather risk jail than allow Trump to continue what he's doing.

    That is how we took down Nixon as well. Thank goodness for Mark Felt; otherwise known as Deep Throat.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are only shocked that they could lose their Cush jobs with swamp draining. They are only shocked that they may not be in charge any longer.
     
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    We need not disappoint them. Whatever their motives, jail time is what's called for here. If they feel it to be worth the price, so be it. President Trump may not be able to prevent all leaks from occurring, but he can make these leaks have a cost associated with them. That should provide a sufficient dissuasion to all but the most legitimate of motivations.
     
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    Lol...Trump had a brain fart in the middle of the night when the scandals first started popping up and tried to distract from his criminal enterprise by attacking Obama. Right on cue, his turd polishers trot out to spout nonsense and defend his lies.
     
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    I don't understand this obsession with wanting to impeach Trump. I don't like the guy and I don't approve of a lot the things he has done but at the same time I recognize that pence would be doing a lot worse things. I would rather wait 4 years and replace and him with someone competent.
     
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    Trump may be the leaker as a way of creating chaos and deflecting from his failures. He has harped on being persecuted since he was campaigning. Let's see who Trump fires for leaking this week???
     
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    Trump is claiming that people are obsessed with impeaching him.. but he has always claimed he was persecuted or that the system was rigged against him or the election was rigged.
     
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    Yeah, so?
     
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    Trump is playing everyone. Most Americans just want to live and work.. etc. Just remember that unless you acknowledge Trump's greatness and celebrity he will turn on you.

    Trump is the smartest, richest, hardest working, most persecuted President EVER.
     
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    Just because he says those things doesn't make them false. There is clear evidence that a large portion of the media was and is against him. There is also evidence that they are also trying everything they can to impeach him. I haven't seen any evidence in regards to election fraud but it wouldn't surprise me. There was plenty of it during the Democratic primary...
     
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    LOLOL.. Trump is his own worst enemy.. and if he is impeached ( which I doubt) it will be lead by his peers... the men and women he has bullied and insulted.
     
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    That's true. Whenever he talks the target on his head gets bigger and bigger.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    As soon as I read that "Seth Richards" matter, a debunked conspiracy theory, I stopped being interested in what Judicial Watch had to say. Judicial Watch is a conservative "attack" organization that abuses the legal system for the benefit of conservative causes and the majority of lawsuits by Judicial Watch are dismissed by the Courts.

    Judicial Watch does not have widespread support but instead is overwhelmingly supported by Sarah Scaife Foundation. Judicial Watch is often associated with the conservative American Civil Rights Union that historically opposes civil rights.

    As for the subject of the thread I'm assuming it's related to the Trump administrations claims that it's supposed to be exempt from public scrutiny because "classified" information is being leaked to the press. The problem being that the information isn't necessarily classified in many or most cases. For example information from a criminal investigation isn't classified but it's not typically released to the public but it can be. There's no reason, for example, why Comey's recorded recollections of his discussions with Donald Trump, where Trump wanted him to shut down the Flynn investigation, cannot be public. Comey's no longer working for the government and what Trump asked Comey to do is not classified information. Those Comey FBI memos have never been "classified" by the FBI. They're what are referred to as "sensitive" information and not "classified" information.

    The problem for the Trump administration is what those that are or have been a part of the Trump campaign and/or Trump administration has done and no the leaks that expose it. Trump will not be removed from office based upon "leaked" information but could be removed from office because of the actions of Trump and those associated with him.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    If Trump is impeached it will be because Republicans support his impeachment and removal from office.
     
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    I agree..........
     
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    Breaking the law is criminal no matter what you think you are doing.
     

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