Is it time to re-introduce mass incarceration?

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Re-introduce mass incarceration?

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  3. Maybe

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  1. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    You’re the one churning rhetoric.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In nature, the weak wilderbeast, Zebra, etc.. doesn't survive.
     
  3. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The more dysfunctional a society is, the more citizens it locks up. The personality of the board of directors reflects in the shop floor. Maybe one problem area, if not the main problem, is the US government.
     
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    Well, then you dispute the correlation between fatherless homes and crime rates??

    Let's see your data.
     
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    Probably, but what does that have to do with the reality that it's a choice? Walk through and average month with a 'poor' person and you'll see a thousand little choices (all freely made) that lead them directly to where they are. That they rue those choices latter is utterly irrelevant, and are merely the bleatings of the spoiled child.

    Because divorce is a choice in almost all cases (even when via choice of a crap partner in the first instance), and because people are frequently adversely affected by it financially. Staying married is strongly correlated to greater financial security. Also, divorce can be an indicator of things like impulsivity and instability. Not always, but it's common in the impulsive and unstable. Both character flaws being strongly associated with poverty.
     
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    1) Stay with your family to avoid poverty. Don't attempt to fly solo (it rarely works for the poor). And make sure any condition you have, is TREATED.

    2) Stay with your family to avoid poverty.

    3) The vast majority of people who end up addicted to drugs, will get there regardless of what their doctor does .. just as those who won't, can be given all sorts of things by their doctor and never end up with a problem. Don't do drugs. Your family has every right to turn you away if you do.

    4) How about the veterans with PTSD who quietly continue working and raising a family, but at considerable disadvantage due to the psychic and actual interruption of war? There are no winners.
     
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    It's true, I don't!
     
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    Why would a smart and sensible woman marry a 'loveless, hateful, abusive' man? We do have a say in it, you know. Women who stay married to good men don't end up there by an act of god, or dumb luck. They end up there because they chose well, and just as importantly .... are themselves worth staying with.

    No it isn't. Greed is a survival tactic, and will always exist. Violence is a function of a failed culture. Western culture has failed because it dismantled the infrastructure of a polite society - family, community, obligation, answerability, social pressure to conform, etc etc.
     
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    Because the Welfare State has lulled us into the belief that a family is merely a social option. We no longer think of families as essential structures for material security, because we believe the State will feed us.
     
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    The more dysfunctional your society, the less civil it will be.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Great. Go live in the woods.

    Some of us have risen above the level of wild animals.
     
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    Dysfunctional citizens are predisposed to commit more crime.

    Dysfunctional families produce dysfunctional children, that grow into dysfunctional young adults, that grow into dysfunctional citizens that commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

    This increased criminal activity provides the political arm of the state the excuse they need to increase its police state powers.

    All of this is deliberate, and all of it starts with attacking the foundation of every society - the family.

    To that end, Feminism, divorce, single parent homes, premature sexualization, racial agitation, class envy, etc...

    It is all the basics in the Democratic Party playbook. The agenda is pure evil - whether regular folks who vote Democrat realize it or not.
     
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    As is the case with everything on the Right.. ain't that simple.

    A modern economy needs a lot of things to actually work. You take those things away, and what's left is a 3rd world country that sucks.

    I've been saying this for a generation: If you act like a 3rd world country long enough, you get to be one. Republicans keep trying to prove me correct.
     
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    Those on the Left believe everyone on the planet can be saved, but obviously not at their cost to themselves. So they put the burden on the Right and blame them. Lefties have short arms and deep pockets and they love to preach what others should be doing financially to rescue everyone.

    Life doesn't work like that.
     
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    (original)late Banned

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    Capitalism does work like that.

    In the real world, anyway...

    Businesses need good roads, an educated workforce, and a reasonable amount of stability. The civil war you guys are lusting for ain't good for business.

    If you look at the history of capitalism, that's the way it's been since the beginning.
     
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    I don't think it's so much evil, as profitable.

    When you disenfranchise the people from each other, and from their own capacity for self-reliance, they'll give you all their money. They'll have no other choice.
     
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    Curious. So do you mean 'third world' like this?

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    or like this?

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  18. Nonnie

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    Do you think so!
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you mean to post that? It's just that we're not on about capitalism.
     
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    Your schtick is a joke.

    Start over and learn something.
     
  21. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you ok?
     
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    It's time to re-introduce incarceration for committing a crime.

    1. I'm all for bail reform. No more bail. Everyone who is arrested stays in jail until their court date. The rich man's son and the poor. If they are pronounced "innocent" they get paid for each day they spent in jail.
    2. Abolish parole. If you're sentenced to 10 years, you do every moment of it. We'll pay for the extra prisons/guards with the money we save from parole officers' salaries.
    3. 1 appeal. 1. And only if new evidence has been discovered.
    4. Prosecutors must prosecute EVERY crime. If there is enough evidence for an arrest, it must be prosecuted.
     
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    Fatherless has little to do with it.

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    The Evolution of Crime in the US
    Since colonial times, violent crime in the US has been declining - however, crime rates abruptly shot up during the early 20th century. At this point, the US had higher numbers of crime reports compared to Western Europe. London, for example, whose population was three times that of the city of Chicago in Illinois, recorded 45 homicides whereas Chicago recorded 198 homicides with only 2 million inhabitants. Following the Second World War, the rate of violent crimes almost quadrupled and reached its peak between 1960 and 1991. Over the same period, property crime also doubled. However, since the early 1990s crime in the US has been gradually declining.
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-decade-had-the-most-crime.html
     
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    So much for innocent until proven guilty.
     
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    1960-1991 ya say, huh??

    Your post doesn't address the point at all... at least you tried. The usual response from you leftists is to call us racists, and take your ball and go home.

    1960-1991 huh?? Gee, I wonder if there is a statistical correlation which proves my point??

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