Is it useless to debate abortion?

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  1. CFM

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    It includes everything you baby killers use when arguing in favor of abortion. Want, affordability, and getting rid of something you don't want or can't afford.

    The hypocrisy is when the one that said what she does with her body is no one else's business demands help from those she told to butt out because she can't afford the results of her choice.
     
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    No , it's not hypocritical. Everyone , even pregnant women, have a right to their own bodies.

    No matter what ANYONE does with their body the basic right is that one owns one's body.

    You can't take away people's rights based on what they legally do.

    You can't charge a fee for rights..like saying you have rights only if you don't get any benefits...that's asinine..




    Can we just say that your "problem" with women will not let you see the basic facts here?

    Rights are NOT based on personal decisions or choices....
     
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    My problem isn't women making the choice. My problem is the hypocrisy shown by those that say their choice is no one else's business when the choice is made then demanding those they told to butt out pay for that choice when she can't do it herself. You're looking at it from the choice standpoint. My point is that if she makes the choice, it's her responsibility to pay for everything related to it not expect others she said had no say in the choice to do it when she can't.

    It's real simple. If she chooses to have children she can't afford, don't expect the rest of us to support her kids when can't.
     
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    No , it's not hypocritical. Everyone , even pregnant women, have a right to their own bodies.

    No matter what ANYONE does with their body the basic right is that one owns one's body.

    You can't take away people's rights based on what they legally do.

    You can't charge a fee for rights..like saying you have rights only if you don't get any benefits...that's asinine..




    Can we just say that your "problem" with women will not let you see the basic facts here?

    Rights are NOT based on personal decisions or choices....





    There is no hypocrisy. You obviously just don't want to understand what I wrote in my posts.

    American citizens have a right to expect help from the government when they need it, that is government's job.

    The right to bodily autonomy is not based on citizens getting or needing help to live.


    I see you are against parents having tax breaks for children or elementary education or streets for them to get around on or being able to use the court systems or public buildings or being defended by our military, etc. because they chose to have them so they should lose all their rights to any government support ?

    That's quite silly.

    You may call it hypocritical but it isn't.


    The fact is that people have kids whether they can afford them or not and your idea that helping poor children is bad or wrong just doesn't fly...
     
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    I'm against someone telling me to butt out then demanding I come back in when they don't like the results of THEIR choice.
    It's not my responsibility to pay for her kids. It's hers. Remember, SHE made the choice to have them. Unless I'm the one that got the ***** from her that produced the kid, the kid isn't my responsibility to support.

    By the way, it's not the government's job to provide for people who won't provide for themselves.
     
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    American citizens have a right to expect help from the government when they need it, that is government's job.

    The right to bodily autonomy is not based on citizens getting or needing help to live.


    I see you are against parents having tax breaks for children or elementary education or streets for them to get around on or being able to use the court systems or public buildings or being defended by our military, etc. because they chose to have them so they should lose all their rights to any government support ?

    That's quite silly.

    You may call it hypocritical but it isn't.


    The fact is that people have kids whether they can afford them or not and your idea that helping poor children is bad or wrong just doesn't fly...



    Whether people provide for themselves or not it does NOT take away their right to their own body.

    That's a fact....and I'm starting to enjoy the fact that you don't like it :)

    And it IS the government's job to take care of it's citizens especially the CHILDREN who obviously can't "provide for themselves"....or are you into bringing back child labor? How young should they start 1? 2? Will you let them actually be old enough to walk before you force them to "provide for themselves"?

    But, yes, the abortion debate is useless when one side refuses to acknowledge facts …



    BTW, have you provided all the following by yourself?

    ... elementary education or streets/highways, water systems, sewer systems, , the court systems or public buildings ,being defended by our military,
     
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    Great..let the kid starve..that’ll show him. Most people who are getting help from the government do work. They’re called the working poor
     
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    Interesting that you only see “her” as being responsible
     
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    SHE made the choice with HER body to have the child. Why is it suddenly the responsibility of those she told to butt out of her choice to fund the results of something she said was none of their business when the choice was being made?
     
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    I explained that to you several times....human's right to their own bodies has NOTHING to do with their life choices.

    In the abortion debate the issue of "choice" refers ONLY to women's right to choose to gestate or give birth...that is all , that is only what it's about. It refers to NO other choices.

    Citizens rights to their own bodies has nothing to do with anything else and that has been explained in depth to you several times.
    What's the problem ????
     
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    If the choices they make are about their bodies, it has everything to do with it.

    If she makes the choice to have a child she can't afford, tough ****. It's not anyone else's place to be forced to support her or the little **** she can't feed. It's HER and HERS only.
     
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    QUOTE="CFM, post: 1069202549, member: 78334"]If the choices they make are about their bodies, it has everything to do with it.

    If she makes the choice to have a child she can't afford, tough ****. It's not anyone else's place to be forced to support her or the little **** she can't feed. It's HER and HERS only.[/QUOTE]


    OK, I get it, children can die in the streets for all you care, I get it.

    BUT it IS the government's responsibility to care for it's citizens and YOU have not refuted that in any way....because you can't.


    Too bad for you :) that it's NOT just tough**** for poor women and their CHILDREN.....they can get aid....:) :nana:



    First you accuse "us" of being "baby killers" and then you defend letting kids go hungry and shelterless…..so it really is only the fetus you care about , right?





    Our right to our own bodies has nothing to do with decisions we make in life....

    Our rights are not lost especially when we've committed no crime.

    Women, just like you, don't have to "pay" for their rights.

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    You mean like the father?
    So you support abortion ,right?
     
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    First he calls us "Baby killers"...."It includes everything you baby killers use when arguing in favor of abortion""


    Then he wails about having to care for poor children.


    Isn't that what we've been saying...the Anti-Choicers ONLY care about the fetus and then when it's born it's , in his words, tough***……...
     
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    OK, I get it, children can die in the streets for all you care, I get it.

    BUT it IS the government's responsibility to care for it's citizens and YOU have not refuted that in any way....because you can't.


    Too bad for you :) that it's NOT just tough**** for poor women and their CHILDREN.....they can get aid....:) :nana:



    First you accuse "us" of being "baby killers" and then you defend letting kids go hungry and shelterless…..so it really is only the fetus you care about , right?





    Our right to our own bodies has nothing to do with decisions we make in life....

    Our rights are not lost especially when we've committed no crime.

    Women, just like you, don't have to "pay" for their rights.

    [[/QUOTE]

    It's the responsibility of those that make the choices to pay for their choices.

    All the aid they get doesn't change that they're freeloaders.

    I don't defend letting kids go hungry and shelterless. I defend expecting those that made the choice to have them support them. If they go hungry and shelterless, it's on the ones that should be taking care of their own. Since I have no responsibility to them, I can't be held accountable for them.

    If your decision is related to your body, it's the same thing. Why do you think women should be able to make choices with their bodies, tell others to butt out, then expect those same people to pay for the results when women can't?
     
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    You have it all wrong. My problem is with those that chose to have those kids NOT caring for their own. It's not my job to take care of someone else's kids.
     
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    Those that support taxpayers that aren't the father supporting kids they didn't help create totally ignore the sperm donor that did.

    I support personal responsibility and an abortion isn't that. Killing the unborn child you don't want because you don't like the results of having done what it takes to produce that child is the same as burning down a house you don't want to live in any more despite having made the choice to live there.
     
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    OK, I get it, children can die in the streets for all you care, I get it.

    BUT it IS the government's responsibility to care for it's citizens and YOU have not refuted that in any way....because you can't.


    Too bad for you :) that it's NOT just tough**** for poor women and their CHILDREN.....they can get aid....:) :nana:



    First you accuse "us" of being "baby killers" and then you defend letting kids go hungry and shelterless…..so it really is only the fetus you care about , right?





    Our right to our own bodies has nothing to do with decisions we make in life....

    Our rights are not lost especially when we've committed no crime.

    Women, just like you, don't have to "pay" for their rights.






    CFM:
    """It's the responsibility of those that make the choices to pay for their choices. """"



    FoxHastings: Yes, and when they can't we do NOT let children suffer. YOU want children to suffer to punish their mothers for having them.

    Yet if she aborts a kid she can't afford YOU call it "murdering a BAAAAAAAAAABY!":




    CFM: """All the aid they get doesn't change that they're freeloaders. """



    FoxHastings: NO, they are people, humans, citizens , who need help, children who , despite what YOU say , cannot get a job and support themselves.




    CFM:"""I don't defend letting kids go hungry and shelterless. """

    YES, you do. You are against giving them aid...you have stated so, you want them punished for what their mother did...



    CFM:"" I defend expecting those that made the choice to have them support them."""


    ...and when any citizen needs help the governments job is to help them......WHATTF do you think government is for? YOU never could answer that question along with all the other questions I asked but you can't answer.






    CFM : """ If they go hungry and shelterless, it's on the ones that should be taking care of their own. """

    FoxHastings: RIGHT THERE you defended letting kids go hungry and shelterless

    And yet you claimed a few lines back :"""I don't defend letting kids go hungry and shelterless. """

    But you just did.


    CFM: """ Since I have no responsibility to them, I can't be held accountable for them. """


    FoxHastings:""Uh, duh, we have no responsibility for the people who suffer disasters like hurricanes or tornadoes or volcanic eruptions but our taxes are used to support these victims. That is how the government works and I am so happy you hate the American way of doing business...:) :)





    CFM: ""If your decision is related to your body, it's the same thing. Why do you think women should be able to make choices with their bodies, tell others to butt out, then expect those same people to pay for the results when women can't?"""



    FoxHastings.""Our right to our own bodies has nothing to do with decisions we make in life....

    Our rights are not lost especially when we've committed no crime.

    Women, just like you, don't have to "pay" for their rights.""






    Now learn TF how to quote posts...
     
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    So you damn them if they abort a kid they can't afford and you damn them if they keep a kid they can't afford and HATE the thought that a penny of your taxes go to help children...... how illogical and just plain nasty....good thing that when these children need help the government takes YOUR MONERY :) and helps them :) :)


    Oh, is this where you give that "wise" advice about not having sex? That incredibly stupid remark usually rolls out from an Anti-Choicer about now...
     
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    It's not being nasty to expect the woman that made the choice to pay for the choice. Why should those of us she told to butt out of what she does with her body have any responsibility toward the child SHE chose to have? She can have the choice as long as she pays for it. When she starts expecting me to be one of those that does it on her behalf, it become my business. Not because I made it mine but because she did.

    Sad how you think it's OK for a woman to demand others she told to butt out to get something someone else earned. It's proof you have no concept of personal responsibility. The ONLY way I have an obligation to the kid is if I was the one that got the ***** it came out of. Outside of that, I don't give a **** what happens to her or her kid.
     

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