Is it wrong to harm a foetus?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Bowerbird, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    All mace valid and relevant points. Your inability to see that means nothing.
     
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    Of course, your inane post have to since relevant or supported posts are beyond your scope or capacity.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    All I see is the both of you hijacking this thread with your little pissing contest of who's better than the other "intellectually" or whatever. Are either of you going to get back on the topic at hand or are you guys going to continue to post pointless 1 liners at each other?

    That goes to both of you, Whaler and Prometeus. If you want to bicker you might do everyone a favor and take it to private messages.
     
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    Point taken, my apologies.
     
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    Well I have put junior on ignore, so I am out. Enjoy the erst of the thread Pasithea!
     
  6. Pasithea

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    Thank you guys.
     
  7. Bowerbird

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    And Thanks Pasithea for calling everyone into line

    Seems that everyone here has chased the SAME monkey around the SAME tree so ruddy often that now they are in a rut - they cannot see outside of the "same old same old" even when the topic is new

    Back to the thread topic - which was written after I attended a talk by an endocrinologist on pregnancy in diabetic women - they have a hugely higher risk of abnormality so the only thing that can be done is to put them on a regime of "pre-care" with tight insulin and diet control BEFORE they get pregnant - but not every woman could do that. Which brings me to my thread - nicely hijacked (thanks - sarcasm off) into a "yes it is" " no it isn't" abortion thread
     
  8. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    It happens sometimes. You can only argue so many points in this debate before you hit a wall of neither side giving in and nothing left to pick at because you've picked at every scrap in the argument and all you're left with is to pick at your opponent. lol

    And when the ad homs start coming out, which I have been guilty of as well, that's when you have to just stop, step away from the computer, go outside and get a breath of fresh air.

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    On topic though; I only think it's wrong to harm a fetus if you plan to carry it to term. I think it's wrong to plan on bringing a child into this world and doing something like drinking every single night during your pregnancy. Someone who does that probably shouldn't carry to term not only because she's potentially giving the kid some serious disabilities but because it also shows a great lack of responsibility and concern for her offspring.

    Obviously if a woman is on some hard drugs and doesn't even know she's pregnant yet, she's already seriously damaging or has damaged the fetus. Chances are this child will end up bouncing around foster homes and will be severely disabled. And parents who are on drugs tend to be neglectful and abusive parents anyhow.

    For women who intentionally or unintentionally harm their fetuses because of bad habits (doing drugs, drinking excessively, and doesn't/does know they're pregnant) and plan to carry to term, I would strongly recommend they speak to their physician as to whether or not they should continue the pregnancy. If they plan to carry to term still even knowing their child will be severely disabled they should definitely be somewhat prepared for it such as understanding what their potentially disabled child will need to continue a healthy life.

    When it comes to diabetic women I am not sure. Most women want to be mothers and knowing you have a disease that can seriously harm the fetus and make it difficult to carry to term, well that is definitely something they would have to discuss with their physician.

    Overall I don't really care if these women carry to term so long as they are prepared to give all the care and nurturing in the world to their child no matter how it turns out. I would prefer they don't dump them into the adoption/foster care system either just because they're disabled. When people plan on having kids they need to be prepared to be responsible parents and do whatever it takes to provide a good life for their child. If they don't do this and just have babies willy nilly and continue their bad habits while pregnant and neglect their special needs after birth I really thinks that's wrong and very irresponsible.

    Abortion is a very responsible choice in my opinion especially if you know your child will be born severely disabled because of your own medical needs (insulin) or because of your bad habits (drugs/excessive drinking) and you know you have no way to provide for it.
     
  9. Bowerbird

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    Thank-you for your considered and thoughtful reply.

    I was trying to expand the discussion beyond the "same old monkey same old tree" that seems to typify this forum.

    Abortion should NOT be an endless argument about "yes it is no it isn't" the issues are far more complex and intricate.
     

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