Is Jesus God, part of God or another God?

Believe it or not, this was a huge issue during the centuries before the Council of Nicea. Many considered the idea that Jesus was only a part of God or was merely a man with knowledge of God while others thought of him as an eternal God. So I ask you, if Jesus is a God, does this not mean that Christianity is really a polytheistic faith? Did Jesus exist as a God prior to assuming mortal form? Is Jesus the same age as God (meaning he had no beginning) or did he come into being after God made him? Why did God make him? Did he just make him while in the womb of Mary? If God can make a Jesus a God, what stops him from doing it again?

If you think these questions are easy to answer you are mistaken. Why would the NT declare Jesus to be the son of God if indeed he was equal to God? Or is he not equal to God the Father? These questions reveal a logical fallacy within the faith that drove Constantine and later Justinian to accept the concept of a Holy Trinity to solve this puzzle. Anyone who did not believe in this Trinity were killed, exiled or made to convert including Jews. Copies of gospels that did not support the idea of a Holy Trinity were destroyed or hidden from Rome. The Holy Trinity answer was a convenient way to end this debate internally. If God was the Father then the Holy Spirit must be something that came from God himself. If God was the Father, then Jesus must have come from God himself as well. Since Christianity prior to the Council of Nicea was varied depending upon which gospel you followed, it was only after they made their decisions that the current form of the NT was created out of hundreds if not thousands of Gospels. What made the leaders decide which Gospels to include in their new canon?

I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has knowledge of the way canon explains this paradox.

 

Phillipeans 2: 6-8 e plains it. Jesus is like God, having existed forever but did not consider himself equal to God. In order to prove himself to God he took human form and humbled himself by dying on the cross.

Not really that confusing if you bother to read the bible.

 

Jesus was supposedly the Son of God, otherwise it's pretty perverted for a God to get a 12 year old girl pregnant and spend 9 months inside her before entering this world, especially if he could of just made some dirt into a body and breathed life into that like with Adam....

the Son God was to replace the Sun God of the past

guess he would be called God Jr

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How does that solve the central question or problem? Quoting the Bible is not the answer to this question for the central issue remains. Did God the father create Jesus? He created all the angels, Satan and everything else.

 

I don't believe in the holy trinity. I believe that Jesus is a god in his own right now. I think that originally he was not, or at least, not fully one, but he is now since his crucifiction. So yes, in that respect I would say mine was a polytheistic religion. However, I do not worship Jesus like I do God the Father. It's kind of an odd thing, that. Jesus doesn't want to be worshipped, he wants us to worship Heavenly Father, so it's polytheistic but we worship only one of the gods because the other god in the equation will not allow himself to be worshipped.

Does that make sense? It's a bit hard to explain sometimes. My words get jumbled.

 

Think of it like this.

God is water, Jesus is steam, the Holy Spirit is ice. They are all different but yet steam and ice would not exist without water.

 

As a Deistic Unitarian, I believe that Jesus was simply a human. He was a philosopher and his followers decided he was god and based a religion on him. I doubt he ever claimed to be god or the son of god, and only worked to spread his message of peace, love, and forgiveness.

This is also the view that Thomas Jefferson held, since he, like me, as a Deistic Unitarian.

 

Jesus was the Incarnate Manifestation of God...

... during his days here on earth.

 

Nice analogy...as long as we replace "Water" with the Ether.

That way both are based on invisible, inaccurate, and imagined properties.

 

You are free not to believe

 

'free' not to believe would be:

"I won't punish you for choosing not to believe, and will care for you and love you as much as the believer if that's what you choose"

 

First of all ,how to certify the accuracy and realm of New Testament ?Is other objective and independent evidence which can wholly coincide with New Testament ?In the old testament ,pork is forbidden to eat but the articles in new one disagree basically but only persist forbidding to have blood .Also the words of propaganda of christian violate the words of lord in Old Testament which said that no matter who follow hiswwords ,laws and teachings will also be rescued

 

I would never wish punishment on you for not believing, in fact, it actually pains me to see so many who are missing out on what God has to offer.

 

I just believe God,not including Jesus.Old testament told us that you can only trust him,not allowed to follow any other one

 

but we're not discussing how you feel about it, Spooks, we're discussing the absolute lack of freedom of choice involved. how do you reconcile this? and don't say it upsets you if it only upsets you as far as it doesn't impact you. that's not pain, that's blame shifting and protection of your own 'right with god' status. if you were genuinely horrified by the prospect of the vast majority being tortured forever by your god, you'd rethink your god.

 

The NT replaced the OT.

 

It seems that the early Christians worshiped Christus (Jesus), not any god, that myth came later

 

If Jesus is God - a claim He never made, and which He implicitly contradicted plenty of times in the Gospels - then He was never tempted, which would mean all His suffering from the time He was betrayed by Judas to His death on the cross was nothing but drama queenery.

 

so, two gods then?

 

Jesus is God's son.I don't think you've been paying attention.

 

True. Some want to believe that the Council decided. It didn't. It simply agreed what the Bible
had already said. A priest named Arius (sp) didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus.

No. It's monotheistic. Jesus has always been God.

Jesus has always existed. He's God.

Man couldn't be saved by the law. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. Christians are no longer under
the law because Jesus fulfilled it.

Let me know when they become hard.

Jesus was/is God incarnate.

No they don't. They are perfectly logical. Not sure where you're coming with the Justinian concept.

And these actions weren't actions of Christianity. Nowhere does Jesus tell us to kill anyone.

The Gospels have always supported the Trinity.

 

Jesus said it many times.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!”
The Jewish leaders who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him because
he called himself God.
The New Testament says Jesus is God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Jesus was never contradicted in the Bible.

 

He truly never was.
They can try to say this and that;but it just isn't so.
True story.

 

the problem is, we pay more attention than theists would like us to. your above statement, for example - how is jesus the son of god, but also god? please explain how this works, and what it means. just stating it explains nothing.

 

God sent his son(who volunteered) to die for your wickedness,that way;You could get into heaven.
Does that explain anything to you,or do you not understand?