Is Nicolas Maduro the modern day Hitler?

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  1. ziggyfish

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    Question for Discussion
    Considering that the Venezuela President has sacked military generals and refuses to allow the UN to provide humanitarian aid (such as food and medicine). Has disbanded the congress. Are there parallels between what President Nicolas Maduro is doing, and what Hitler did, and if so is there any lessons we can learn from the Venezuela crisis?

    My thoughts:
    It's sad that all of Venezuela's current problems could be solved in one day, however, those in power refuse to implement such solutions due to ideology. I think we can hopefully look at Venezuela as yet another example of why socialism doesn't work, and not repeat these same mistakes for the 1,000,000th time.

    There are remarkable parallels between what's happening in Venezuela with what happened in North Korea, the USSR and Hitler's Germany. I just hope we learn from these mistakes.
     
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    Yet again the Venezuelan president is doing exactly what Hitler did, he is now trying to dissolve the congress of Venezuela.
     
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    When you say Venezuela's problems could be fixed in one day do you mean by an internal overthrow or an external invasion?

    I am hopeful that one day they will turn to the free market, but we are not ones to preach on this as we long ago decided in favour of internationalist bureaucracy over free trade and voluntary association.

    I wish for the liberation of both Venezuelan and Western peoples from central planning.
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    Seems familiar yes.
     
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    Only liberals call everyone Hitler. Just saying.
     
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    He's not Hitler, he's just a very bad boy. :roll:

    Hitler was married, so anyone who plans to marry is clearly like Hitler. Hitler was male, so any of us blokes out there are a bit Hitlerish. God help you if you speak German & have dark hair - HITLER!!!! Hitler was a politician - so the US Congress is a bunch of Hitlers. Hitler wrote a book. Hitler was a military veteran. Hitler built roads. Hitler didn't like people who were different to him. Hitler only liked the parts of democracy that suited him. And so forth.

    How many of these boxes does someone need to tick to be 'like Hitler'. I can find people on these forums who tick a LOT of those boxes, and a few more boxes I could add. Are they 'like Hitler'?

    Nicholas Maduro is a jumped up wannabe socialist dictator. Another in a long line from Latin America and beyond, though thus far a lot less successful. If he has totalitarian, genocidal or expansionist plans he is doing a truly awful job of advancing them. He can't even make the streets of Caracas safe. He isn't Hitler. He isn't even Castro or Ortega. He's just a poor man's Chavez, which is pretty pathetic.

    About the only thing more pathetic than Maduro are the intellectual pygmies whose ignorance directs them to see 'Hitler' in everything. Bush = Hitler. Obama = Hitler (or Stalin, or Mao). Trump = Hitler etc. etc. We live in an age where much of the collective knowledge of humanity can be accessed with a few keystrokes. As a result any person with a junior high school education can find appropriate historical comparisons for current figures. The failure to do so can only be explained by stupidity, laziness or an ideological agenda (the latter two often being connerted to the former).

    There is no longer an excuse for such mind numbingly stupid & simplistic comparisons. If there is one thing we should learn from history it is not to listen to stupid people.
     
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    If you have ever read my posts on this forum, you would know I am not of the left.
     
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    He has refused to hold elections, so he is already a socialist dictator clinging to power. Chavez was popular enough to hold and win elections.
     
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    Venezuela could easily solve its problems by getting rid of the government and privatising its Oil company.

    The government is also refusing humanitarian aid, so the countries current famine would also be resolved.
     
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    I'm not saying anything about your political persuasion. I'm stating that mostly liberals go full Godwin, when there's no comparison. It's intellectually lazy.
     
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    There are huge similarities between Hitler and Maduro if you look deep enough.
     
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    I see you wisely avoided most of my post.

    Maduro held Presidential elections in 2013 after Chavez died. He very possibly cheated to win, but held they were. The next ones are due in 2018. Parliamentary elections were held in 2015, the next ones are not due until 2020. You might choose to argue the case that a recall referendum should have been held a few years ago, but as the signatures were not gathered we will never know if it would have happened.

    Maduro is moving down the road to dictatorship, but he isn't 100% there. Certainly not close to Hitler.


    I think you mean 'shallow' enough. Anyone with a deep understanding knows how absurd the claim is.
     
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    He has refused to sign every single bill the Congress has passed. Recently he had tried to disband Congress through the supreme court. He has jailed the opposition leader. He is a dictator.

    The government changed the rules on the referendum and made it very difficult to get the required signatures. Again this is what dictators do.

    You're obviously not looking deep enough. He's armed pro-government supporters to fight the opposition. That's what Hitler did.
     
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    Wow, a typing plank of wood.

    Straight off the back humping the leg of some **** who's posting neo nazi website crap this 'intellectually lazy' tree stump now barfs up its ignorance about Godwin.
     
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    At least you're consistent.
     
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    Wrote the plank of wood whilst posting yet another crying baby pic. They're getting bigger, too.

    Guffaw.
     
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    So no missed election then. And what happened to that attempt to remove the powers of Congress? Oh, that's right, the Supreme Court reversed its decision after the OAS threw a fit. Bet Adolf didn't have days like that.

    Venezuela still has a very large, very active opposition that holds a big majority in Parliament. It still has independent media, if working in an incredibly hostile environment.

    If Maduro gets to make his proposed changes to the Constitution or refuses to hold/steals next year's election then dictator will be a perfect description. Until then he is a long way down the road, but not there yet

    'That's what Hitler did' is like a giant neon sign over a person's head saying 'I am intellectually shallow'. Quite why you want to keep reminding us of this is beyond me. 'Hitler did' a LOT of things, doing most of them do not make you a 'new Hitler'.

    One of the more depressing things about the intellectually shallow is their assumption that everyone else is at or below their level. There are dozens of other dictators to whom Maduro is a closer fit, but knowing about them requires being properly informed rather than just being easily distracted by shiny objects. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to have some 'road to Damascus' moment.
     
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    So you think responding to your e-rage should take more effort then that?

    Here's a hint.......you're not worth it.
     
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    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    Moronic dictator comparisons are an equal opportunity sport. Anyone who sat through 8 years of 'Obama = Hitler/Stalin/Mao' and tries to claim otherwise is just trolling. Intellectual laziness has no specific home on the political spectrum. It exists everywhere.

    Oh, and I am what you would describe as a 'liberal'.
     
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    You're right, intellectual laziness runs rampant on both sides. I remember when Obama was a secret Marxist Muslim atheist anti-Christ. But who invokes fascism, Nazis, and Hitler the most?
     
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    Lol...No need to wander so far off the reservation. There are even more yuge! similarities between the little corporal and the great orange hope right here at home.
     
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    ^ Point proven.
     
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    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    Since some ahistorical morons on the right started claiming fascism was 'left wing' its been fairly equal opportunity. Until then the left was well up on the 'fascism' count while the right was obsessed with the 'communist' slur. Normally I'd congratulate conservatives for broadening their horizons, but on this occasion they have simply proved that they misunderstand both terms.
     
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    The internet is like crack to idiots. Suddenly they have so much company they no longer need to interact with intelligent people in any meaningful way and risk a moment of self reflection. SIGH!
     

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