Is Obama setting the country up before leaving office?

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is true, but at least he is hiring some experienced Generals for his National Security team.
     
  2. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What did the Republican Congress Block of Obama's agendas.?
    Be Specific.
     
  3. rkhames

    rkhames Well-Known Member

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    Your thinking of Agent Robert Wright Jr. But he was actually investigating Al Qaeda financing. Not those attending flight school. There is a report of a flight school in Arizona filing a report. But as far as I can find, they never identified which agent was assigned to the investigation. But we do know that the agent was pulled off the investigation. This allowed the attackers to complete flight school and hijack the planes.
     
  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you talking about this, no one recalls this conversation except this one guy?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-was-warned-about-flight-schools/

    "Harry Ellen said he told an FBI agent in Phoenix in late 1996 or early 1997 that he met an Algerian pilot and several Middle Eastern men at an Arizona mosque. Ellen assisted U.S. intelligence during the 1990s but later had a falling out over his business and personal dealings in Asia and the Middle East.

    "I brought this to the attention of an agent in the local FBI whom I knew," Ellen said. "They did not seem particularly interested in the presence of these people. I stressed it was very odd that the Algerian man was involved in aviation.""
     
  5. rkhames

    rkhames Well-Known Member

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    The "unknowing is precisely the point. We should know who these people are, and where they come from. But the Feds declaring that they were classified. Why? For that matter, why enter into an agreement in the first place? The vetting process takes between 18 and 24 months. Obama has less then two months left in office. He knows that Trump will be the next President, and that he has vowed to stop all immigrations from areas such as the ones there are supposedly from. So,. what is to stop Trump from preventing these refugees from ever arriving here? Any agreement that he enters into will not last beyond Trumps inauguration. So, why bother?

    I want you to read this very slowly. If you still can't understand it, find someone to explain it to you. It shouldn't be too hard to find someone with a fifth grade education or higher.

    I do not need to justify my experiences for the likes of you. If you want to challenge what I have posted, then take the time to do some research. If you do not believe I know about how the vetting process works, then research it. Otherwise, your resorting to nothing but petty unsupported attacks. For the record, I have never claimed to be a clerk, or assigned to JAG. I have said that I stood a Duty Clerk post, but such posts are not reserved for clerks only. The post basically is a non-sleeping 24 hour post, and it consists of keeping a had written logbook up to date, answering the phones, and going to the base Communication Center to pick up message traffic. But that does not make me a clerk. Frankly, what my Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) is none of your business.

    It is also full of cut-and-pasters that have to rely on others to tell them what they are supposed to think. They are unable to form a idea of their own. This is primarily because they have never done anything in their entire pathetic lives.

    Now, if you have anything of substance to add to this conversation, then please do. But so far you have added nothing.
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what did they not block?
     
  7. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Excellent point, and as your citations are conveniently improbable ( possibly improbably convenient), self serving, and wholly unprovable, I discard them into the heap known as "partisan story telling". The internet is full of fighter pilots, special forces, front line fighters, 35f's,and oddly void of cooks, supply clerks, and pencil pushers.
     
  8. rkhames

    rkhames Well-Known Member

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    Really? You quote two paragraphs from the article, and then misrepresent what the article says?

    The FBI apparently remembered the conversation. The article even went so far as to say that "Law enforcement officials said in retrospect the FBI believes it should have accelerated the suggested check of U.S. flight schools after Moussaoui's arrest but does not believe it would have led to the hijackers." So, how could they have followed up without remembering the conversation.
     
  9. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the rest happened in 2001.... ."FBI officials said a supervisory agent in Arizona wrote a several-page memo to FBI headquarters in July 2001"
     
  10. CourtJester

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    Of course the record of our " experienced" military is failures in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan. They were able to defeat Grenada which was their last sucessful operation.
     
  11. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Wonder if the Republicans are going to hold endless hearings about Mattis leaving the green berets to die on the battlefield. Going to be the perfect example of Republican double standard except that there is no question that Mattis could have acted and choose not to do so.
     
  12. rkhames

    rkhames Well-Known Member

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    Here is a quote from a State Department briefing that took place in Nov 2015:

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/11/249613.htm

    Here is a link to the White Houses Infographic of the screening process. You will see that it jives with what I have said happens:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

    It does not take long to do the research. But your either too lazy, or you did the research, and realized that you were wrong.

    So, again all you have done is prove why liberal supporters are called low information voters.
     
  13. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not sure I understand your contention. You earlier stated that during your time vetting Haitian refugees it only took a couple of days because vetting process sucks and that is how you know all of this.

    Now are you saying vetting takes 18-24 months?

    Oh, and I voted for Trump.
     
  14. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmm...., One has to wonder how objective fact suddenly has become subjective. Wait, I just realized that that is the Progressive method of illogical thinking.

    List of Obama Failures- Updated and Getting Worse By the Day!
    http://www.martinoauthor.com/list-obama-failures/
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    10 Ways Obama Has Failed as President
    http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/16/10-ways-obama-has-failed-as-president/
    A poll released last week had some pretty bad news for congressional Democrats heading into the midterm elections. But buried in the poll numbers was a figure that just might constitute an even more important turning point.
    Respondents were asked: “On balance, do you feel that Obama’s presidency so far has been more of a success or more of a failure?” More than half, 52%, said “failure.” Only 42% said “success.” And it gets worse. Only 22% were “strongly” convinced Obama is a success, while 39% are strongly convinced he’s a failure. And the American people have pretty much made up their minds on this; only 6% of respondents had no clear opinion.
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    Wide Support For Striking ISIS, But Weak Approval For Obama
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/page.../09/National-Politics/Polling/release_361.xml
     
  15. rkhames

    rkhames Well-Known Member

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    Really? When?

    Never claimed it was less. What I've said is that the process was ineffective. If the individual is not in the US or Interpol's databases then there is no way to verify his/her background or identity. In that case, investigators have to rely on interviews of the individuals and those in camp that claim to know the individual. I did not say anything the timeframe or the number of times the process was repeated. The group that I was assigned to had about 2,000 adults that had to be interviewed within a couple of months. But that was for the initial interviews only. The initial interviews were to determine whether the individual met one of the criteria for seeking asylum. I personally believe the process would have been much quicker if they had not given out list of what those criteria were. All the individual had to do is pick a criteria, and come up with a good lie about how they met that criteria. As a result, the interviewer had to spend hours trying to determine whether the individual was lying. That usually meant asking the same questions over and over again, looking for changes. If the individual sticks to their story, and others vouch for them, then the file is forwarded to level 2.

    Sure, if you say so. Yet, every day you post a new cut and past article about how bad Trump is supposed to be doing. Strange way to support your supposed candidate.
     
  16. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The President is "setting the country up," by cracky!

    Let's hope that the incoming Novelty Act can perpetuate the hard-won success.
     
  17. After Hours

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    it's funny that you mention Bush, because Donald Trump back in 2009 agreed that Bush left obama a "YUGE!" mess.
     
  18. therooster

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    I think Obama did more for the Muslim Brotherhood and terrorists all over the world then he did for average Americans. The only Americans obutthead was for are anti American Democrats.
     

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