Is older better?

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The reason why Israel exists today is because the Zionists cooked up a plan to steal the land and Rothschild blackmailed and or bribed Balfour. The God character didn't have squat to do with it.
     
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    You more or less glossed over the entire argument I presented.
    These Rothschilds are a favorite of the Left, though they don't
    even register on the fortune lists anymore.
    And they weren't around thousands of years ago when it was
    said there would always been a remnant of Jews, and they
    would return to their homeland in the latter days.
     
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    Why if they don't anymore? It's scientifically false. Ask any psychologist.
     
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    Probably kinder just to think of them as works of fiction.
     
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    I'm still waiting for you to show me why Islam is an Abrahamic religion. No one has been able to do that. Perhaps you can.
     
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    I already told you why. Scroll back.
     
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    Hey, it's your eternity..
     
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    Not falling for that game. Show me.
     
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    Ah the old I don't really believe that nonsense but better safe than sorry.
     
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    While that may be true they are the ones who made it happen.

     
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    While that may be true they are the ones who made it happen.
    What "made it happen" was the rise of a new wave of antisemitism in Europe in the late 1800's.
    ie the Dreyfus Affair which galvanized Herzl.
    And the opening up of Palestine when the Ottomans were overthrown.
    And yet another wave of antisemitism in the 1930-1940's.
    If there were no figures like Herzl there would still be an Israel.
     
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    No to your question, and I also reject the notion that newer is better. Better an old truth than a new lie.
     
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    Your link rightly refutes your positions. It says the Gospels were written prior to 70AD, and were written by eyewitnesses or those who interviewed eyewitnesses.
     
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    Like other cult leaders such as Joseph Smith, Mohammed was basically a dirty old man, and violent to boot. It is ludicrous to call him the perfect man as some do. And Muslims can't say for sure if even he will go to heaven.
     
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    There are also no miracles by Mohammed, although the Koran does mention the miracles of Jesus.
     
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    I think the prevailing notion is that what ever WE think....... is obviously true
    Because...., well..... its obviously true
     
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    Exactly, Jews for Jesus has been around since 32AD, give or take a few years.
     
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    Bob Dylan became a Christian around 1979. He's a Jew. He did a concert in Tel Aviv in 2011 and did one of his gospel songs.....Jesus is coming for his Jewwww....els. Cool stuff.
     
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    Old.. as in built on a long tradition? Traditions tend to be tried and true... that's why they become tradition.
    I believe the coming of Christ is the pinnacle of the world's philosophies.. nothing new since then.
     
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    Is that why Israel existed thousands of years ago?
     
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    Yes they can.

    "Anas b. Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: I will come to the gate of Paradise on the Day of Resurrection. and would seek its opening. and the keeper would say: Who art thou? I would say: Muhammad. He would then say: It is for thee that I have been ordered, and not to open it for anyone before thee."
     
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    The quran is the greatest miracle and the miracle of prophet Muhammad.
     
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    "Unproven claims"
    You need to define what you mean by this.
    One of the major claims of the bible is their historicity -
    and gradually through the mists of time this history is
    slowly coming to light.
    We now know there is a genetic Jew; there was a
    proto-Hebrew language; we are finding the civic
    projects of Solomon; we have found the names for
    the House of David, Isaiah, Abab; there was an
    edict of Cyrus and Pontius Pilot was an actual person.
     
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    By unproven claims I mean supernatural claims. None of the supernatural events in the Bible are proven.

    Obviously the fact that Jews existed is not proof that their mythology is true.
     
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    This is perfect logic for returning the entire US to Native Americans.
     

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