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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    There were great upheavals throughout the whole world from around 375CE to 700. The Western Roman Empire fell, the Justinian plagues, the Volkervandewung, et al . Muhammad camie in 610 and many saw him as an answer to those things. He is called the Seal of the Prophets to indicate no more should be expected after him

    All claptrap of course. One of the greatest speculations of history is how much suffering, war, needless death and human degradation might have been avoided if mankind had sought to actually DO something about the troubles that bedeviled him instead of seeking to propitiate mean sky fairies of their disturbed imaginings. My contention is that we would have been prosperous members of an interstellar civilization for some millenia by this time
     
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    I see. Well, I don't really see, but that's a very interesting post. Are you from another galaxy far far far away?
     
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    They DID do "something" about the "sky fairies."
    About the turn of the last century (Queen Victoria times) the Western world, and Europe
    in particular, began doing away with the old monarchs and religious structures. The transformation
    was remarkable and the world by WWI would have been unrecognizable to Queen Victoria.
    Stalin studied to be an Orthodox priest. Hitler's mother was Roman Catholic. Mao Tse Tung and
    Pol Pot came from Buddhist persuasions. These people, and many others like them, changed the
    world. Now Nationalism; Racism; Communism and Fascism took center stage. Nearly a quarter of
    a billion people died as a result.
     
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    Different gods, not different solutions. We shouldn't worship ANYTHING, not even ourselves.

    And the world just prior to WWI was becoming, while very far from perfect, a much nicer place than it had been. It was WWI, and it's continuance WWII, that was the Catastrophe. We make much in fiction of "post apocalyptic" times but we have been living in one for just about 100 years now
     
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    No, and you're a fine looking goose. Might I have you for dinner?
     
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    Did the Noah's Ark story happen? Did two penguins walk thousands of miles to get in a boat built by a 500 year old man?

    Humans can make a prophecy happen. Where is the evidence of the supernatural involvement in this "second return?" Cyrus II is the guy that made this happen.

    Where is the evidence of supernatural assistance in the 1948 battle?
     
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    IMO the story of the ark was local to Sumer. Back then the world was quite small.
    In Jesus' day the world was the Roman Empire - a lot bigger.
    And the earth wasn't a planet - a planet back then was a wandering star.

    Read the story of the 1948 and 1967 wars. How a tiny group, hardly even a
    nation, held off seven Arab nations. I knew a man who served in the British
    occupying forces, long died now - he told me that if he lost his rifle he would
    have been jailed as the Jews were so desperate to get hold of weapons. No
    one would support them. Oddly, for one brief moment it was the Soviet Union
    under Stalin that supported Israel - an offer they soon regretted.
     
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    So..The Bible(s) ARE NOT the word of God....then what are they?
     
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    I am fine with believing the bible is the word of God.
     
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    Okay...then did he lie or was he wrong? There are no other options without making things up.
     
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    How was He wrong?
     
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    Have you read his books...they are chock full of impossibility (miracles) and inconsistency. I would give you the short list but there are limitation in place by the software.
     
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    "Inconsistency" is difficult to define here.
    "Impossibility" doesn't mean much - in science nothing is impossible, just unlikely.
    But God operates outside of science. And also, neither you nor me was there
    when these "impossible" things happened - the world is far stranger than we can
    imagine.
     
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    The Jews were a group which at that time had the world's sympathy and were being galvanized themselves by what had just been done to them. The Arabs were what they had been for a centuries and remain to this day, a people trapped in dreams of their glorious past. Since that time the Jews have become the main catspaw of the world's most powerful nation in an area where that nation's major resource comes from and the Arabs are the mice. I see no need to call upon the supernatural.
     
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    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    Re the supernatural.
    That a people from the Bronze Age can maintain an ethnic, genetic
    and religious identity is remarkable (we even argue whether Egyptians
    were black or white skinned, or who the Philistines were.)

    That a people can number so many "back then" yet still remain few in
    number to this day (as the bible said would happen) is also remarkable.

    That a people can be so universally hated yet remain as a people is
    also remarkable.

    That these people can go back to a land ruled by Turkish Muslims
    and "take it back with the sword" to rebuild their ancient language,
    currency and religion is remarkable.

    But I find so many of the 1948 and 1967 events amazing for their
    deliverance of the Jews, over and beyond military strategy, good
    luck and probability.

    Imagine if a group of Iraqis got together and claimed themselves to
    be heirs of ancient Babylon - and took Babylon from the Iraqis and
    built a powerful Babylonian kingdom, complete with their ancient
    language and customs. You would marvel at that. This is what
    happened to the Jews.
     
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    The unbelievers don't want to accept the miracle and fulfillment of prophecy happening right in front of them. They're blinded.
     
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    Don't you know white Israelis hate non-white Israelis?

    The roots of anti-Mizrahi racism in Israel
    The founders of the state, Jews of Ashkenazi origin raised on European ideas, viewed ‘Oriental Jews’ as backward and primitive from the moment they began arriving en masse on Israel’s shores.
    https://972mag.com/the-roots-of-anti-mizrahi-racism-in-israel/114424/
     
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    No,
    the later the revelation from god, the better.

    God has changed things up many times in human biblical history. So, it is better to go with the latest revelation than the older ones.
     
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    Mormons have the latest revelation.
     
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    Constantine wasn't a jew, but a Roman.
    It's why christianity was founded by and is called today as Roman Catholic.
     
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    The Jews claim to be 5000 years old and I believe archaeology agrees Given enough time almost anything will happen, and even the most improbable prophecy will be 'fulfilled'.

    But who knows for sure, For sure not me.
     
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    There are people who use that "argument" but I disagree. The prophecies are quite
    distinct
    Jews will own the promise land
    that land is tied up with obedience to God
    the Jews will lose that land
    The Jew will remain a minority people
    Whosoever blesses the Jew will be blessed, and whosoever curses the Jew will be cursed
    The Messiah shall come as Redeemer and then as King
    The Redeemer shall be rejected
    The Jews will lose their land
    The Jews will come back a second time and regain their land
    The Messiah as King shall come
     
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    And don't forget that each Jew will have 2,800 Gentile slaves in the afterlife.
     
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    Who says that?
     

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