Is older better?

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Reference item 11 = The fairy tale says that there will be rivers of wine in paradise. So, it seems like people will be eternal winos engaging in all kinds of debauchery. It appears that the Allah character wants to be surrounded by people who do the very things he didn't want them to do when they were alive on Earth. Maybe paradise is really hell.
     
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    There are no celestial Gods of any kind in this solar system.
     
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    Specifically it says the wine will never make you drunk. The Koran has some 30 allegories for paradise.
     
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    If wine won't make you drunk then it is not wine but something else.

    Maybe the Koran has so many variations of paradise because the writers made them up out of their imaginations.
     
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    Big deal.. My father's house has many mansions.
     
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    not at all. The fact is that the establishment of the Christian Church is DIRECTLY linked to the breakaway faction of jews who believed Jesus to be the messiah foreseen in the torah. Mainstream jews didn't buy into that notion.

    Surely you are familiar with the origins of your faith?
     
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    in biblical times, wine was a generic term for anything that wasn't water or milk, alcoholic or not.
     
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    My belief is the earth could be billions of years old, but man's existence may be only 5 thousand years or whatever.
     
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    According to the fairy tale in Revelation, the saved souls will end up in a 1,500 mile sided golden cube called New Jerusalem on a waterless planet that doesn't have any darkness. The lost souls will be tossed into the lake of fire. So, there seems to be just one mansion for the entire universe of over 200 billion galaxies in the observable universe.

    The Jesus character told a lot of lies so he may have been exaggerating about there being more than one building after Judgment Day. After all, he said that the stars will fall to the Earth and that he would return during the lifetime of his listeners.
     
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    There's lots of evidence that people from Africa crossed over into Saudi Arabia 120,000 years ago.. and there are cave paintings in France that are 20,000 years old.

    The Cave Art Paintings of the Lascaux Cave
    www.bradshawfoundation.com/lascaux
    The Lascaux Cave is famous for its Palaeolithic cave paintings, found in a complex of caves in southwestern France, because of the exceptional quality, size, sophistication and antiquity of the cave art.
     
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    Jesus was crucified by "mainstream Jews" and the Apostle Paul was a "mainstream Jew" before Jesus appeared to him and he became a believer. It's all part of prophecy which foretold the Messiah would be rejected by many.
    https://jewsforjesus.org/jewish-res...he-messiah-would-be-the-rejected-cornerstone/
     
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    Were they "mainstream"?

    Sanhedrin | Definition of Sanhedrin by Merriam-Webster
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Sanhedrin
    Sanhedrin
    definition is - the supreme council and tribunal of the Jews during postexilic times headed by a High Priest and having religious, civil, and criminal jurisdiction.
     
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    Thanks for illustrating there there are lots of credible “Christianities” that do not extend to young earth theology, and yet never the less exhibit similar religious incompatibilities with accepted science.

    In this case, your idea that “mans existence may only be 5, 000 years or what ever...”
    On one hand, this belief represents your religious freedom to believe as you choose.
    Otoh, people like you who insist on such ideas wind up impacting our national as a whole by falsely impugning science and scientists. Which cripples our ability to train our children to compete in the world at large..... and generally leads to a dumbing down of our population’s scientific literacy.... which, for instance leads to general scientific skepticism.... which in turn leads to vaccine skeptics.... which compromises our overall public health

    So, for this reason i will continue to oppose various aspects and expressions of religion which Esper se dogmas that i find to encourage profound ignorance
     
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    So how many years has man been here, scientifically speaking? I found information that claims that the oldest evidence of mankind is estimated to be 6300 years. Do you have something else?
     
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    I'll bet that there are some people who would still believe the ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale if they had lived every day for the past 100 million years and saw evolution first hand and the emergence of humans to our current form.
     
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    9 Oldest Archaeological Sites in the World | Oldest.org
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    Have you ever thought how lucky you are to live right now in your current situation instead of in the past or even 100 years ago? If we went back in time 300 years ago we would probably die within a week from bad water, food poisoning, or assorted germs.
     
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    Even 10000 years is only a blip compared to the age of the earth.
     
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    In July 2019, anthropologists reported the discovery of 210,000 year old remains of a H. sapiens and 170,000 year old remains of a H. neanderthalensis in Apidima Cave, Peloponnese, Greece, more than 150,000 years older than previous H. sapiens finds in Europe.[54][55][56]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens#Origin

    There are remnants of aboriginal Australians going back 450000 years ago
    https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/history/how-old-is-aboriginal-culture#toc1
     
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    How about 200,000 years?

    Ancient Arabian Stones Hint at How Humans Migrated Out of ...
    https://www.livescience.com/47555-stone-artifacts-human-migration.html
    Ancient stone artifacts from Saudi Arabia possess similarities to items of about the same age in Africa — a finding that could shed light on how humans dispersed out of Africa, researchers say.
     
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    I've seen those claims. They're about as reliable as the claims of visitors from another planet.
     
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    With the epistles, yes, of course. They are letters.
    So too with The Revelations.
    With the exception of Hebrews.

    But there's no name to the Gospels. And Malachi just means "messenger"
    and there's no name for the books of the Torah, come to think of it. And Kings
    and other books.

    So in the case of the scripture many books are anonymous. The intent and
    message is that the author is not important - it's the message of God.
     

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